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Pastor Joe Fuiten's Gay-Marriage Problem

The leading evangelist's strange objection to the coming law.

Joe Fuiten, one of the region's leading evangelical pastors and a former organizer for George W. Bush, weighed in recently on Washington's gay-marriage bill that, with the support of Gov. Chris Gregoire, looks like all but a sure thing. Yeah, he's against it—to put it very, very mildly.

Eric Devericks

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The head of Bothell's Cedar Park Church issued what he called "an urgent message" through his e-mail and Web newsletter. "This is a deceptive and dangerous bill," he wrote of SB 6239. (Actually, he mistakenly referenced last year's bill, SB 5793, but we know what he means.) "It is the setup for a knockdown."

Why a "knockdown"? Because of language in the bill that, he says, labels excluding gays from marriage as "discrimination." In Fuiten's mind—and, you might extrapolate, the minds of many of the state's evangelicals, along with those of the National Institute of Marriage, which has pledged $250,000 to fight any Republican who votes for the bill—that is the first step toward opening up churches and pastors to discrimination lawsuits. And that, he says, is designed to coerce them to sanctify gay marriages against their will, thus undermining religious freedom.

"The Gay Marriage Equality bill will not be satisfied until virtually every church in Washington is forced to allow gays to hold their weddings in church sanctuaries," Fuiten wrote.

Not so, says bill sponsor Ed Murray: "[Fuiten] is trying to confuse the issue. The bill clearly states that churches and religious organizations cannot be forced to marry anyone."

Well, to be precise, it clearly says that religious officials cannot be forced to do so. But same difference.

So the lawsuit theory, as far as church leaders go, is a red herring. For the churches themselves, though, there is one exception. Religious organizations will not be required to allow the use of their facilities for gay marriage unless the organization offers those facilities "to the public for a fee" or sells goods and services to the public. In Fuiten's call to arms, he suggests that many churches would be subject to that exception—even if they did no more than maintain a pop machine or sell coffee.

Fuiten can relax. After his missive went out, the sponsors of SB 6239 and HB 2516 (the companion bill in the House) decided to change the wording, Rep. Jamie Pedersen, prime sponsor of the House bill, tells Seattle Weekly. Pedersen says the language in question was aimed not at churches but at religiously affiliated businesses that regularly rent space for weddings: "a wedding-chapel kind of thing," he says. "We didn't want to create an opportunity for [those businesses] to discriminate." But, he says, "we want to make sure that any concerns that are even remotely reasonable have been addressed."

Of course, this leaves Fuiten without his rationale for fighting the bill. Somehow we think he'll manage to find a new one.

 
  • Abanderas 02/07/2012 1:29:00 AM

    Homosexuals can't reproduce (at least not naturally) children. They can get someone of the opposite sex to impregnate them or impregnate, but otherwise no such luck Chuck.

  • DistantReader 02/02/2012 3:53:00 AM

    just give these folks some room to breath. They are certainly not going to come knocking on your door to interrupt any orgasm ya might be having. get the gov out a my bedroom.

  • Guest 01/30/2012 8:02:00 AM

    Ray, referring to your "Christian pastors that believe in the Bible", how then to explain the increasing number of Christian pastors and Christian congregations for whom sexual orientation -- ANY sexual orientation -- is not an issue at all? You seem to miss [or ignore] that God said nothing whatsoever about homosexuality in the Ten Commandments. Nothing. And Jesus, the founder of Christianity, likewise said nothing whatsoever about it. Not so much as one blessed word. Nothing. Zero. Incidentally, I have yet to read or hear of any linkage between one's sexual orientation [which is not a choice, any more than gender and race are choices] and one's religion [which is a choice].

  • DistantReader 01/29/2012 8:43:00 AM

    good point guest. what are you thinking about right now? My baby is the the most happy and beautiful person in the world. She's gonna grow to kick some azz on anyone that hates other folks who are just trying to get along. Take that to the bank.

  • COJones 01/28/2012 9:45:00 PM

    Oh, yeah, I forgot. For all you anti-gay-marriage folks? When non-gay (supposedly "Christian") marriage starts producing better raised children than homosexual/lesbian partnerships, let the Seattle Weekly know, they'll be happy to publish that fact. So far, you're SOL.

  • COJones 01/28/2012 9:39:00 PM

    Well, then, it's about time we investigated who can legally marry people. We sure as hell don't need a fictional god to ratify an agreement between two people. How about an Elton John and Billy Joel drive through marriage citadel in Las Vegas. Scan your VISA, passenger leans forward next to driver, get photo and legal document at next window. Pull forward for complimentary car wash........

  • Mr. X 01/28/2012 4:19:00 AM

    Where did DistantReader say that Mr. Fuiten's hateful church will have to perform gay marriages? As a strong First Amendment advocate I agree that Cedar Park has an absolute right to be religious bigots and discriminate against any gay couple that wants to get married in their church (or who wants to rent their facility for said gay marriage). This would be the case even if Rep. Pedersen hadn't made the change in the language described above - because the US Constitution governs in this situation. But that same Constitution also guarantees equal protection under the law DESPITE the religious beliefs of Mr. Fuiten and his ilk, and the government cannot discriminate against gays who want to enjoy the civil (as opposed to religious) institution of marriage. I don't give a rat's ass if you think "homosexuality is wrong" - and your religious beliefs have no business being enforced as law. And as it happens, I know lots and lots of Christian's who don't agree with you, either (and I suspect the poster above was objecting to a particular set of edicts that lots of good Christian folk would find primitive and obnoxious, too)

  • Guest 01/28/2012 2:44:00 AM

    Too bad the Lord answered Pastor Fuiten's prayers and sent you a baby. Sounds like it is growing up in a bitter, hate-filled home. I think you missed the point of his message. The fact is, the Bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong. The "Separation of Church and State" mandates that churches cannot be forced by the government to go against the scripture that they teach from. So any law passed by the legislature demanding that Bible-teaching churches have to allow gay marriages in their buildings or risk a discrimination lawsuit is unconstitutional and therefore, illegal.

  • Mr. X 01/28/2012 1:59:00 AM

    Does they also like (and believe in enforcing through civil law) all of that Old Testament stuff about dietary restrictions, not shaving, lending money with interest, and offering up your daughters to angry mobs, too?

  • Mr. X 01/28/2012 1:55:00 AM

    If you don't like being called a bigot, try not being one.

  • Mr. X 01/28/2012 1:55:00 AM

    Manipulative is too polite - I prefer "lying". For that matter, scumbag might be too gentle too....

  • 01/27/2012 9:28:00 PM

    IF the second objective of the legislation is not to piss off Christians THEN there there is a more logical approach to the problem: Simply remove every reference to "marriage" in all legislation and replace the words with "personal contract." If "personal contract" was defined as "a contract of personal rights and personal obligations between natural persons, not including corporations" then the LDS would support it. Right wing Christians should support the change if it removed preachers as government agents of the state. Lawyers should love it because they would get most of the legal work. Churches could "marry" anyone they chose and no one else would care.

  • Brittanicals 01/27/2012 5:57:00 PM

    Twenty six years ago, my (opposite gendered) husband and I were not able to get married in the church I grew up in, because he has been married before. We are still married, btw. I also know of many couples that several pastors, for various reasons, refused to marry. Churches have always reserved the right to refuse to perform marriages, for whatever reason, and I see no reason that the legalizing of same gender marriages will change that.

  • Seamus Ruah 01/27/2012 3:48:00 PM

    "The Gay Marriage Equality bill will not be satisfied until virtually every church in Washington is forced to allow gays to hold their weddings in church sanctuaries," Complete and utter bullshit, from a manipulative scumbag. No one will force churches to marry people against their will. No one forces churches to marry straight people against their will.

  • 01/27/2012 12:03:00 AM

    Doesn't matter how many reasons are stated for opposition to homosexuals marriage, media, such as the Seattle Weekly, will find reasons to disqualify them. It's what they do. Denigrate anyone who has an opinion adverse to theirs.

  • Sandyrsmith 01/26/2012 7:12:00 PM

    Proud of Pastor Fuiten and his courage to stand up for the TRUTH. BTW, no one cares or wants to know what others are doing in their bedroom but this bill is not only forcing us to think about it but make laws about it. Seriously government, go back to balancing the budget and leave marriage alone.

  • DistantReader 01/26/2012 1:50:00 PM

    Mr. Fuiten and his ilk prayed for me years ago, to have a baby. it worked. I thought of joining his church, being raised to be such a good protestant. after reading through just half of his 'bylaws I wanted to puke.What godly man would preach such hate? As a confirmed heterosexual, I gotta say Who the heck cares what other folks do in their bedroom? Does fuiten think about what his his congregation is doing in their bedroom right now? If he is he's sicker than that dead dog. Take that church the one that said they gave up over the everything but marriage a couple years ago and shove it somewhere comfortable.

  • 01/26/2012 7:30:00 AM

    Thank God for Christian pastors that believe the Bible.

  • Lovestoshop14 01/26/2012 7:04:00 AM

    Yep, he will and all but the 43% of WA state who supported the bill in WA state prays he does.

 

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