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Becky 04/14/2012 7:58:00 PM
Wow, you majored in math, huh? Sweet stats. This one is my favorite: "Women who throw the male out of the house and deny access to their children then receive one third to half of the males income for the next decade or so". lol! I WISH! All I got was child support, based on state guidelines. DANG! I must have screwed that up. Maybe because I didn't "throw him out" or "deny him access" to his own child. Heeeey, you didn't add that part yourself, did ya, Einstein?
I don't know how many Restraining Orders are fraudulent (clearly neither do you), but if the majority of women leave their husband for reasons of "unhappyness" (creative spelling, btw), so what?
You're right about one thing, I'm outraged. Outraged that you evidently reproduced. I'm a little outraged that 8 people liked your stupid rant and thought it made sense. Posts like yours are not exactly helping your case, dude. You should probably do your brothers a solid and just shut up already. Thanks for the laughs, though!
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Becky 04/14/2012 7:41:00 PM
Feminazis? Oh brother. ...
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Prosedad 04/10/2012 9:49:00 AM
Wow, "a-loving-father"....women studies, sociology, planned parenthood, foster care....you were entrenched in all the systems and entities that created the culture of the Jeskes, et al. You should check out my website at www.HowIgotCustody.org and see how I won in court without an attorney repeatedly.
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lawlessamerica.com 04/08/2012 5:58:00 PM
Share your stories and be heard! Fight to end court corruption...go to LAWLESSAMERICA.COM Now!
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Hjyak 04/04/2012 11:38:00 PM
I have tried to get my kids for 20 yrs,being charged with a lie that I was forcing my daughter to sleep with me, a total lie,after that I couldnt see my kids anymore ,the judges are nuts and take only the womans side ,time to stand for mans rights .call me if you wish Hank 1-780-435-3886 I can write a book on wasted money time and bs from the mothers side
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04/04/2012 8:33:00 AM
Wow! Your post and comments were so biased and completley off the topic of the above article that is was rather entertaining. So entertaining it made me click through all 200 plus comments. You actually got someone interested in what you have to say or whatever it may be you are trying to do with your anger feminist views and distorted views on life. Only thing is you caught my interest and what seems to be everyone else that has posted on this artlicle in the wrong way. After reading the replies from your post did you even once think that you might actually need help. Everyone else on here seems to believe you do. Obviously you can't take a hint and evaluate your own insanity and rationale or you wouldnt have ranted rubbish on here for two months. Also you speak of not having your children or have had them taking from you by the courts. Is this true Deborah? I sure hope it is because you certainly are not in the best interest of taking care of cabbage patch kid and just from your comments and idealisms you do not have any business even being around chldren. I am sure your other views on life are just as twisted as your views on men and child custody. People ignorant such as yourself aren't just ignorant to one facet of life. They are ignorant in general. You even had me thinking you were a shill trolling on here at first. I honestly did not know there were people so far out of touch with reality like you are. It is actually scary people like you exist!
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lawlessamerica.com 04/02/2012 12:30:00 AM
Forward this to bill@lawlessamerica.com, title it MOVIE SCRIPT!
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lawlessamerica.com 03/31/2012 4:53:00 AM
THE FAMILY LAW MACHINE OPERATES BY PLACING CHILDREN WITH THE WRONG PARENTS....They must do this in order to keep positive cashflow coming in...BECAUSE: the TRUE parent will fight for as long as it takes, give up whatever it takes, spend whatever it costs to fight for the best interest of their most precious gifts. The stories are all the same, its sick and violates the most basic human,civil,
constitutional rights. It is NOT 'gender bias', it IS 'healthy, fit, loving, best for the best interest for the child bias'
WE MUST UNITE AND STAND OUR GROUND!
A few days ago 'GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION' made headlines on MSN. All 50 states were rated..given 'grades'. Almost all 50 states have failing grades, and WA State was given a B+, which appauled me. It is my belief WA State has worn down, and put unspeakable fear in its citzens that nobody is coming out to expose the truth. THE TRUTH MUST BE HEARD BY THE RIGHT PEOPLE...I am amazed this blog is still operating...this article in Seattle weekly was written in January and is still getting response. We must write and get our stories to the lawmakers. The only way to create movement for change is to change policies which can be strictly enforsed. The system gives terrorism a new meaning...we must fight the WAR ON TERROR IN FAMILY COURT. NOBODY in that system should be able to go anywhere near family intervention without strict mandating by the State, qualifications, and a multitude of resourses available before any family is allowed to enter into family court. We need jury trials and hearings for each and every case, lawyers who practice family law need high credentialss in psychology and human services, monitored by Civil rights 'consumer watchdogs'....we need protection and justice. Go to lawlessamerica.com and begin to join together to fight and end corruption!
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a.loving.father 03/29/2012 9:23:00 AM
I too have gone through a very similar situation. After going to school to study Sociology and Women's Studies, volunteering for Planned Parenthood, being a stay at home father, speaking in front of hundred advocating for attachment parenting and natural childbirth, working for a foster care agency, being a mandated CPS reporter and more...I was slapped with a DV claim against me for 'fear' as well. This was all right after SHE had an affair. I had to deal with Jeske as well, which granted several 'temporary protection orders' against me, regardless of the defense that I put up. I had declarations from our former nanny, neighbors and others who observed my parenting abilities and claimed I had been the primary caretaker. It did not matter. My parenting abilities were called into question because I made 'no attempt to contact our baby' during the 3 months in which I had the protection order against me. It seems like a contradiction to me. I get slapped with a claim of domestic violence, have our son taken away from me and then once the protection order is thrown out, her parenting plan is adopted because i had no contact during the time I was legally not allowed to see him. Umm..why should I be punished twice for something that has been deemed as having no evidence to support her DV claims? I am punished for more than 100 days by not bieng able to see our son and racking up legal fees, THEN, i am punished by having her parenting plan adopted after my parenting is questioned for 'abandonment' and 'abusive use of conflict'. WHAT? It sounds ridiculous, but JESKE has a tendency to rubber stamp all the claims that are made against men.
So, I spent Thanksgiving and Christmas alone and only after her parenting plan is adopted (giving me 3 Saturdays of 5 hours of supervised visitation), I finally was able to see our son about a month ago. Now, I have to go through the parenting classes and BS that is attached to the parenting plan before it is able to be considered to go into 'phase 2', which would grant me unsupervised visits of 6 hours and a Tuesday or Thursday evening. How is this even reasonable? I have absolutely no say in any of the parenting decisions, and she has been granted sole custody in the temporary plan.
How is it that these UN-ELECTED commisioners can decide the fate of a family after spending maybe 15 minutes looking over some biased declarations, while ignoring the unbiased declarations from third parties? These commisioners are destroying countless lives and they should be held accountable. What ever happended to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Aren't people supposed to be innocent before proven guilty? Why are our kids being taken away from us and the burden of proof being put on men to try to prove they are not criminals and are not unfit parents? Why is it allowed that these women are able to get free legal help from the women's rights advocates, yet the men get no legal representation, unless they are at the poverty level or pay out of pocket? These injustices need to be corrected. Until our trial date, I will be working 7 days a week to barely stay afloat just to keep on fighting to get my fair shot at equal parenting, decision making and equal time.
With so many men begging to leave their kids' lives, why are the few who are hanging on for dear life just to stay in their kids' lives being punished by claims of domestic violence with absolutely no proponderance of evidence? It is unfair, unjust and unlawful.
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Jolipesek 03/27/2012 7:49:00 AM
IT IS TIME TO ACT! Go to LAWLESSAMERICA.COM and join the movement to expose and stop corruption! A man in Georgia has started a movement...he is creating a movie where he will travel all 50 states interviewing people like us....everything we speak is truth, and it is time to have our voices heard...we can create change if we join together and do it correctly. We cannot allow emotion to have control, rather state clearly the facts, and think of solutions. I encourage ALL to begin researching on LAWLESSAMERICA.COM and jump in! We can be loud and graceful in our approach. I think we can all agree WE WANT JUSTICE! This battle is going to be extremely overwhelming...and incredibly difficult...but, i believe in the man who created LAWLESSAMERICA.COM, and his stragedy to expose, and fight court corruption. We must all fight together for what is right! I encourage everyone to use your energy productively, the judicial system is well trained to wear people out, drain every last bit of EVERYTHING ...money, energy, life, etc. Out of the people so it can continue to remain in control. Dont let it happen, dont let them win! Lets begin by stoppping, writing, and getting connected! What you think?
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03/22/2012 10:24:00 AM
Today, Hollis Holman took a child from a father in Ex Parte. She placed the child in the care of a methamphetamine-abusing mom (would NOT even order a hair follicle test). The mom lives with two felons -- one committed assault. RCW 26.09.191 requires the mother's contact to be restricted because of that. The dad had kept the child and enrolled her into a new school. (Last year under mom's care, the mother had the child late/absent on 55 different days). He had enough after the school called him wondering where the child and mom were (no where to be found) and he went to their home and found everyone passed out and 6 year old daughter awake babysitting a 2 year old. The 6 y.o. had not eaten yet by 11 a.m. Hollis Holman ripped the dad for doing this (even though nothing prevented him from doing it). Dad had school reports that child was doing poorly in her old school and was doing well in the new school that dad had put her in. The greedy, slimeball attorney who represented the drug addict, psycho mom in court? Richard Cassady. Hollis Holman turns 56 on 3/23 and will continue to enjoy her plush life on her multi-million dollar Medina home at 331x Evergreen Point Rd. ...all while a little girl suffers.
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03/20/2012 2:24:00 AM
CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION... it's not about the kids anymore, or even about the mom or the dad, it's about how long can we keep these people coming here to our store and buying their product? Well, as long as there is a need for them to fight they will return, and spend all of their money because we have control over the thing that is the most precious in their world...That is what it has been about for a long time we just didn't know it. We thought it was because one of us was right and the other was wrong and we didn't want to pay or share the kids... now, we both have to pay and neither one of us gets the kids cause what they really wanted to do all along is put them in foster care so when they grow up they will be rebellious and out of control and they can put THEM in the system as well, and keep them there forever and ever and ever... HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT... until you run out of money, they will make you think ONE OF YOU is going to get your children, and one of you might, THE WRONG ONE, not the protector, because if the protector gets the child, then the scenario ends. the money flow ends... you protect, you win. But if the abuser gets the child, the protector WILL NEVER GIVE UP. The abuser might give up if they don't GET THE CHILD, because ultimately they know they are wrong and they lost, but, if the abuser GETS TO KEEP THE CHILD, THEY WILL FIGHT TO KEEP THE CHILD and the PROTECTOR WILL NEVER GIVE UP so, that is how they keep you all tied up in the system... accident? I don't think so...
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LCJack 03/19/2012 10:07:00 PM
Why is it so difficult for judges to see through the shenanigans and word-twisting that either side can be guilty of? Whatever happened to guardian ad litems for the children? Has everyone completely forgotten about the impact of suddenly losing a parent on a child? There is no justice in our system for anyone when only five minutes are allowed for either side to present their case. Wake up, judges, and REALLY look and listen to what the two parties are saying and doing, THEN judge fairly, if you remember how to.
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Mrhoads77 03/15/2012 5:41:00 AM
Loved the article justice 4 men and fathers everywhere! The system is broken & needs to stop labeling everything domestic violence. Our rights as fathers is being negated into sperm donors & Men are expected to act like passive cows.
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Youngbuck45acp 03/07/2012 9:30:00 PM
Ive been thru almost 2 years of Divorce Care & I haven't herd a story more tragic than my own. I married a girl I'd known since she was six. I had a home and a good career before we were married. She got me to quit my good job cash in my retirement to buy her a car and become a stay at home Dad so she could work. She shacked up with someone else I couldn't get unemployment or welfare she took the kids I lost custody because I couldn't get a lawyer and I almost lost my home. I had pictures of bruises on myself from her and 911 reports from her violance. Now I pay almost as much as my mortgage in support and she lives in a huge house with her new husband.
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Jasonautobarn 03/03/2012 9:15:00 PM
Great Article. My ex was able to get a protection order within 24 hours, which stripped me of my Constitutional Right to bear arms. Although I didn't own a gun or have a license for one, I was ordered to surrender my firearms and license card to the State of Illinois. In Illinois a small organization known as The Rainbow House pressured my ex to get the protective order, file for child support, and even gave her an Attorney. The real truth is that the State of Illinois gives this organization $30,000 a year toward domestic violence social assistance, so if they don't use their budget what do you think happens to the organziation? domestic violence can be a vicious cycle of incestual relationships between law enforcement, social workers, child support enforcement, and organizations that receive grant money/state aid to attack Fathers.
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Dwight Doane 03/03/2012 3:10:00 PM
Deb what do you say about a husband that works from 7 am to 10 pm six days a week to provide for his family while she is home with the children and refuses to get a job ? My ex had that and then started putting marital funds into a separate bank account in her name only - then files for restraining order after her husband after asking week after week demands that she produce the bank statements - turns out she funneled thousands of dollars
The sad thing is too many woman are abusing restraining orders - it is like the story of the boy crying wolf - at some point people will just stop believing and no one will get real protection.
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03/01/2012 11:49:00 PM
THINGS NEED TO BE CHANGED IN THE ROLES OF GOVERNMENT IN THE LIVES OF CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD. OUR CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG TO GOVERNMENTS, THEY DO NOT BELONG TO SOCIAL SERVICES, THEY DO NOT BELONG TO COMMUNITY, THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THEIR FATHERS, THEY DO NOT BELONG TO SOCIETY, THEY DO NOT BELONG TO ANYONE - EXCEPT THEIR MOTHERS!
Several thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of children have been savagely ripped from the arms and homes of their mothers all over the world by greed social services representatives and corrupt family courts. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE A CHILD FROM ITS MOTHER! If you want to do something to help children - help their mothers! We did not create this warped and twisted society we all live in. We did not make the laws or the rules or the businesses or the destruction of the planet or the waste of resources, or the building of tanks and guns and weapons of mass destruction! WE, MOTHERS AND CHILDREN DID NOT DO ANY OF THIS. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DESTROY, YOU'VE GOT TO DESTROY OUR FAMILIES TOO?
Mothers and grandmothers and fathers and families and children ARE ALL SICK OF SOMEONE ELSE BUTTING INTO OUR LIVES AND STEALING OUR JOY AND CREATING CHAOS, AND COSTING US HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND CREATING GRIEF, AND MAKING US MAD AS HELL BY MESSING WITH OUR CHILDREN!
If you are all so CIVILIZED then stop destroying the world by destroying mothers. If this were a movie and I was a character it would be AVATAR and I would be Neytiri, and if you came NEAR MY CHILD, CHILDREN OR FAMILY you would pay by the wrath of the wild animal in me that protects my young and the helpless and innocent of MY WORLD!
This is not a movie, it is more like a nightmare I used to have where I would be running and running to get away from the scary thing that was chasing me, and every time I was caught I would wake up... I HAVE BEEN AWAKE FOR A LONG TIME NOW!
I have to say this more and more every day or we will never get our children back: We can no longer "go back inside and play nice" we have cried and begged and screamed into our pillows and we have asked nicely, over and over and over "please give us back our children" THEY ARE OUR CHILDREN, first after God, children belong to their mothers. And whatever it takes, however many times i have to say this, no matter who i have to argue with, there is no GOOD ENOUGH ARGUMENT for taking children away from their mother on a long term or permanent basis. NONE, we try to rehabilitate murderers and pedophiles and release them back out into an unsuspecting, innocent society, we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on criminals that REALLY HURT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN and we let them go... I must say everyone, if you have read everything I have written, or even if you have not, it is time to know that we must DEMAND OUR CHILDREN BACK NOW because we are NOT GOING TO GET THEM ANY OTHER WAY!
If you read my open blog you will see some of the stories and some of the moms and my own daughters story about her children being taken by evil men with wealthy families. There is so much proof against them for all of their crimes and lies to take her children from her in sneaky, illegal, conspiratorial ways, but she has yet to be heard in court... we haven't seen or heard from the boys in over a year and they want to be with their mommy... but no one listens to them, and the baby girl adores her mommy and needs to be with her more than four hours a week at a public venue. THESE CHILDREN BELONG AT HOME WITH THEIR MOMMY just like many others do and if we do not do something pretty soon they are all going to grow up without their mothers...
Here is my blog, it is what I can do, please look at as many of the entries as possible, and the links too, if you find any help there, please let us know... thanks for all you do...
http://irevolutiontree.wordpress.com/deadlines-for-returning-children-to-their-mothers/
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03/01/2012 4:54:00 PM
Women's groups and the legal industry have created this system.
If I had a son, I would tell him not to get married until he was in his 40s, and would hold his house in my name in case he got divorced.
Look to your feminist sisters for help.
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Prosedad 02/28/2012 6:06:00 PM
REMINDER: Attorney/pro tem commissioner Deborah Bianco ADMITS in this article that she's willing to get a restraining order WRONG...just because of the 1 in a million chance that the petitioner will get assaulted and/or killed. (No murderer who is willing to risk the death penalty cares about a piece of paper signed by Bianco). Then Bianco, hypocritically, admits the system is bias. That's like a soldier in the Third Reich admitting "We treat Jews bad", then he goes right into a concentration camp and starts torturing. BIANCO ordered ZERO visitation in my own case at a hearing and the mother did NOT even allege abuse or domestic violence. BIANCO prejudiced and bigoted, assumed that I was a horrible father and needed to be investigated. I've been raising that child alone for 10 years now. A judge overruled Bianco and gave me 5 days/week before I got custody. Bianco is as mentally disturbed as J. Jeske and Meg Sassaman.
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02/24/2012 7:29:00 PM
It falls to the level of mental illness, total ignorance or prejudicial taint to believe "the sperm donator" should have only those rights allowed by the "vessel." Such a concept is made even more ludicrous by assumptions the "donator's" entire financial future can be affected without affording any natural right, when the withholding is the product of political correctness grounded on nothing more than anatomy.
Whether man or woman, any bond with a child is developed and not some magical thing belonging just to women. To say anything to the contrary flies in the face of that many are the women who killed the child who grew within them.
An ape raised alone may kill its offspring by accident and out of ignorance. On such ape treated its offspring like some rag doll, until it died of the abuse. In short, the love and bonding so common humans must be learned and nurtured. The quality of that love for a child may become questionable when the "vessel" uses the power granted it to alienate and otherwise damage the other parent from his child.
It remains fact there exist countless imbeciles and morally corrupt individuals (e.g., self serving and predisposed to perjurous statements) who would reduce fathers to the very status of which they would complain. These individuals often manage that very thing, with ratification of the courts (here we are, back to that imbecile thing) that hold fast to self serving, prejudice or perjurous statements to, ironically, hold fathers [often solely] "equally" financially responsible
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The Geezer 02/16/2012 1:38:00 AM
Sounds like GUS.
HER CHILDREN? Was it an immaculate conception? If not, it is not HER Children.
Must have GUS--Golden Uterus Syndrome. You use it, and are placed on some pedestal, can do no wrong, all must dance to your tune.
Sick, just sick. Clearly believes in ownership of kids, though unwilling to do what is best for her kids, having both parents in their lives.
The Geezer
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Rights 02/15/2012 11:16:00 PM
Blah blah blah Deborah Parks. I guess this blog is your full time job now - spewing hatred to the masses. I can say that I care about the Mother-child bond. Yes, I do. Because it is equally as important as the Father-child Bond. Neither is more important than the other. Can you accept that, or do you need to perpetuate the myth that Women somehow are better parents than loving fathers. That - is bias!
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Rights 02/15/2012 11:12:00 PM
Deborah Parks - what is wrong with you? It is so rare for a mother to lose her children. But you did. Now you sit and talk about how bad men are. You must be a pretty bad mother to have lost your children. Booze? drugs?
What this story is about is Bias. The courts in Washington give custody to women in over 85% of the cases - do you see a problem with that. You come here complaining because you are part of that 15% that loses custody - broken I suspect.
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Pokee 02/15/2012 10:50:00 PM
Deborah, your childish rant doesn't even need a rebuttal, but I will say this. Why don't you grow up and realise that the mean spirited prejudice you espouse will be passed on to your children and they will grow up to carry the torch of hatred and divisiveness until you come to the realisation that your ugly feminist anger is misguided rather pathetic and not in the best interest of the children.
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02/15/2012 2:48:00 PM
Chromosomes have nothing to do with carrying a child in your body for 9 months, sheeeze... MOTHERS HAVE ALWAYS HAD A STRONGER BOND, it is "MOTHER NATURE" and common sense... I won't come back on here and post anything else for you to argue with because obviously YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT MOTHER/CHILD BONDS, you just care about being right and being in charge... If you think it's painful for a MAN to not have seen his child/ren in 8 months, try being a mom and being kept from your children for 2 years and had them taken from you by men who abused you... at least they have money and the children won't do without anything... except mommy,,, I give up on men who don't support mothers being with their children. I am aware that ALL MOTHERS AREN'T GOOD MOTHERS, but the ones who are, should NOT HAVE TO FIGHT, AND FIGHT, AND FIGHT UNTIL THEY HAVE NOTHING LEFT, and neither should a good father... I just don't belong in this world, obviously... it is too painful for me to see this day after day after day and hear the arguments that are ignorant and shallow and have no basis or thought behind them... I AM and always will be A MOTHER, AND NO MAN CAN KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE... sorry, good luck to you all, if you are good, God will prevail, if you are bad, God will prevail... love to all good men and women and to ALL LONELY CHILDREN EVERYWHERE...
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Jolipesek 02/15/2012 6:35:00 AM
I agree with you completely about everything...protection orders, perjury, fraud, and evil being an understatement. I believe father,s do face bias in the court, however, as a mother I am trying to find any help which protects and advocates for mothers...there seems to be a lot of help for father,s but certainly not enough, and not enough to go around.... I am now into this 18 mos. As much as faith keeps me going, its difficult to make it through each day. I spoke with my atty. Today as I am in the middle of the appeal process and the father continues to make our lives as miserable as possible. As a mother, I am told my chances for prevailing in this appeal are slim. If that is true, I will have nothing to say about my son,s future, NOTHING. The court believed everything he said, lie or not, the court believed him (moreover his attorney). The court, the attorney,s and all the others operating this machine are destroying our children, hindering their ability to succeed and be healthy. The family court needs to be eliminated entirely, or strictly regulated just as every other entity is. So, how do you suppose we are to be heard? How do you plan to proceed in exposing, and creating change?? Im ready. I've already began to develop a relationship with my district senator, and 1 representative...I met with them in Olympia last year and plan to meet with them again soon to discuss solutions, policy changes, etc. I had to relocate not even a month ago after I lost my home we,be lived in for the last 7 yrs. I've yet to return to work for 2 yrs. Because of this fight that has destroyed life as we knew it. But, I have faith and believe that there is a different plan for me, so I wait patiently as I try to settle into a new beginning...but, like you...I will stop at nothing to do what must be done.
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guest 02/15/2012 6:22:00 AM
I truly feel sorry for the children of anyone who believes that because a women gives birth to a child, they are somehow predisposed to either a.) having more rights to that child, or b.) that they someone have some "deeper" or innate connection to the child than anyone else because those children are born into a world in which their parents are already conditioning them to view men and women as unequal. There is ZERO scientific or physiological evidence for that position and is absolutely the root of the gender bias the article seeks to expose. I was raised to believe that Love is what creates the enduring bonds between children and their parents, not the chromosomes of their parents.
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Pokee 02/15/2012 2:39:00 AM
You would be surprised at how many fathers are in the same boat. I found this out after my ordeal began. I was rushed through a hearing that lasted all of ten minutes. The hammer came down and the bond between me and my son was severed. This happens in these courts nearly every day. If the courts are trying to protect the children from harm, they are doing a terrible job. Instead they are destroying children's lives. There is a bill in the Senate, SB 6511, that asks that the courts consider evidence in Protection Orders. How many people are aware that evidence is not considered in these cases? Civil rights do not apply. Children's lives are forever changed based on one person's allegations without doing any research whatsoever. That is why I haven't seen my son in 8 months although I have been fighting for reunification every day. My court ordered assessments came back declaring that I was in good mental health and that I am clean (I don't drink), but the Judge deemed these assessments invalid. They didn't recommend treatment and that's not good for the money making machine. So my child and I continue to suffer. Evil is not a strong enough word for what goes on in these courts. I am glad that you have faith to help you through. I believe we are all responsible for our lives and I also believe that those who do harm are responsible for what they sow need to be held accountable. And they will eventually when justice finally prevails. For me the battle has only just begun, but I will never stop until this corruption is exposed and put to a stop.
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Jolipesek 02/12/2012 5:14:00 PM
I do agree..apologies to you. I cannot begin to feel your pain. Why haven't you seen your son in 8 mos.? The harsh reality of living in a fallen world. One thing I have learned and try to live by each day (i struggle every day btw) is giving up all control to our Father in Heaven. He is in complete control and everything we go through is for a purpose. Evil will ultimately fall. We all have our special stories, what is the solution??? I believe we must start with the source which enables, encourages, and enhances the horrible acts of people upon eachother. By exposing corruption, encouraging stricter regulations on our court officials may be a place to start?? People are evil by nature...the system is highly educated and practices evil beyond the normal population"s comprehension...they are getting away with the unimaginable...let's go to work??
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Gigtapes 02/12/2012 3:06:00 AM
Deborah, I never did a thing wrong and a bitter and abusive woman tore my son away from me. I have been fighting ever since to try to get to see him. Get a hold of yourself. Everything you claim is nonsense. Men don't need to "earn" the right to be a father. Women who abuse the system because they can't get a grip on their raging hormones don't deserve their children. I have seen more than enough instances of abuse towards children all in the name of "WOMAN POWER!". Get a grip and re-group because the bullshit is going to end real soon and good fathers are going to finally get their rights back. I know that I, for one, am not going to relent until justice is served because I care about the children. Maybe women who separate fathers from their children should stop being so damn selfish and think about the children too.
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Pokee 02/11/2012 7:41:00 PM
I think we can all agree that the courts are corrupt and that they destroy lives with no remorse in the name of making a buck. As a father who hasn't seen his son in 8 months due to the fact that any woman scorned can destroy the bond between a son and his loving father without any questions asked I have seen my share of the evil. But sorry, you forgot to mention the bond between a father and a son or a daughter. The first step in changing things should be in tearing down the stereotypes that exist in our society. A mother's bond is irreplacable. So is a Father's.
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Jolipesek 02/09/2012 7:24:00 AM
Im lost??
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1screweddad 02/09/2012 3:39:00 AM
Lost to you apparently.
"We can't solve problems using the same kind of thinking we used to create them" - Albert Einstein
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Jolipesek 02/09/2012 3:04:00 AM
And your point is??
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02/09/2012 2:13:00 AM
The most recent large-scale study of domestic violence was published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2007. (Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence) The researchers analyzed data concerning 11,370 respondents. According to the researchers, “[H]alf of [violent relationships] were reciprocally violent. In non-reciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.” (This study is illustrated in the diagram below from the Psychiatric News, 8/3/07).
A quarter of the women surveyed admitted perpetrating violence, and when the violence involved both parties, women were more likely to have been the first to strike.
Such findings are consistent with decades of domestic violence research. The National Institute of Mental Health funded and oversaw two of the largest studies of domestic violence ever conducted, both of which found equal rates of abuse between husbands and wives.
Martin Fiebert, a professor at California State Long Beach University, maintains an online bibliography summarizing 219 scholarly investigations, with an aggregate sample size exceeding 220,000, which concludes “women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.”
A meta-analytic review of 552 domestic violence studies published in the Psychological Bulletin found that 38% of the physical injuries in heterosexual domestic assaults are suffered by men.
Dr. Jennifer Langhinrichsen-Rohling of the University of South Alabama says that as she and other researchers grappled with this research, “Every time we tried to say that women’s intimate partner abuse is different than men’s, the evidence did not support it.”
According to Dr. Donald Dutton, author of Rethinking Domestic Violence, research shows that domestic violence is actually more common in lesbian relationships than in heterosexual relationships. For example, one study of 1,100 lesbian or bisexual women who are in abusive lesbian relationships found that the women were more likely to have experienced violence in their previous relationships with women than in their previous relationships with men.
Domestic violence treatment providers justify their exclusion of male victims by citing crime and/or crime survey statistics which show that most reports of domestic violence are by women. Dr. Dutton explains:
“Domestic violence ‘research’ has been misleading, in that data has been extracted from crime reports and/or crime victim surveys, in which men under-report more than women, and have been publicized as indicating domestic violence is a gender issue, (male=perpetrator / female=victims.)
“In fact, when larger surveys with representative samples are examined, perpetration of domestic violence is slightly more common for females…”
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1screweddad 02/08/2012 10:33:00 PM
"We can't solve problems using the same kind of thinking we used to create them" - Albert Einstein
It used to be in a divorce, SOLE custody was granted to ONE parent. Typically the mother. And in most cases the mother would use that status to punish the father of her children for whatever he had done. In some cases like my father's 1st marriage, he couldn't take it anymore. His first born being used against him and dangled in front of him like some sort of carrot or treat for being "good" or "playing nice" This is emotional blackmail people. Since this all happened in the 60's and my dad has passed on, I reconnected with my long lost half sister. Should I tell you how much she hates her own mother for doing that to her dad? We grew up a few cities apart and never got to know each other.
We are all forgetting that parents like Josh Powell, Renee Bowman, Kristine Cushing and Lashonda Armstrong were/are someones children. How many of them were kept from one parent while growing up? How many heard a parent constantly ridiculing and just plain shit talking (parental alienation) about the other parent?
We created this situation and the first step in correcting this and help our children grow up in a nurturing environment is to stop blaming the other parent.
Deborah, all you have done in your posts is blame and judge fathers, ALL fathers, as one collective group of "evil" men.
Jolipesek at least recognizes that it's the courts and system that has essentially created this gender bias war.
But what's in our children's best interests is to ensure decent parents are not arbitrarily removed from their children's lives.
Deborah, real men fight for justice, equality and rights even against insurmountable odds. Here's a link you may want to read.
http://www.outofthefog.net/Relationships/MaternalChildAbuse.html
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Jolipesek 02/08/2012 10:23:00 PM
Im not smart...just blessed. Im serious about changing this...I've met with my legislature once already and plan to meet with them again very soon. Its going to take time to change policies, and laws...so, in the meantime I want to send the family court,s business elsewhere...I would love nothing more than to see that system come crashing down...like Lord of the Rings...evil ultimately will fall. The truth does come out eventually...evildoers only last for so long. Im learning to fight out of love, pray for my enemies, seek God and let Him be in control...it is working for me. But, I struggle every day. I want you to be encouraged....just remember, you are the only mother your children will ever have. Whatever the circumstances, love them, guide them and don't give up hope....
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Jolipesek 02/08/2012 9:37:00 PM
Hey, read my last post...I am a mother too, I hear your pain...im sorry for you. I love your passion...but, we as women must set an example..a lot of men are hurting too, just like us. We aren't going to be heard if we attack fathers...what we want is change...it used to be that courts were more bias against men...but now, that's not the case...rather the courts are bias against loving parents. In my case the court was bias against a mother..so...we should get the father,s rights people to represent mothers too! Father,s rights has become a 'hype', I agree many men are taking full advantage playing the victim, but its not just men...women have taken advantage too and that's why we must promote other avenues to avoid the possibility of bias judgment...what u think??
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02/08/2012 9:30:00 PM
BETTER ATTITUDE AND MORE SMARTS THAN ME... i hear you, i understand you, i applaud you for your views and your fairness... good thoughts.
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Jolipesek 02/08/2012 9:21:00 PM
First, children belong to God. He entrusts them with us to care, teach and raise them for His purpose. Second, a mother,s bond to a child is irreplaceable. I believe there is a necessary responsibility of a man to respect and honor the mother of his child, even if he hates her. I believe the majority of parents seek court intervention because they dont know what else to do during the most painful, confusing times in their lives...they end up fighting for 'ownership' of a child, encouraged by the court, attorney's, etc. The battle is so intense, so complex, so emotional that the motives are lost for why they are there in the first place...the #1 reason people go to court? Yep, MONEY. The ONLY reason I ended up in court was because daddy feared I was going to turn him in for not paying his court ordered child support that he agreed to for 2 years. I believed he was in financial turmoil as I was, I believed we were a team...'loving the child=loving eachother' (not that i wanted or thought we should be together, rather 'agape' love) BUT, that was not the case on their side, and I now realize I did not protect my son by enabling his father to neglect his responsibility to his son. Daddy's parents came up with the dough, hired a crooked monster attorney (who doesn't have kids btw) and filed a petition alledging i was 'mentally ill' among other horrorific allegations. There has to be responsibility of THE PARENTS OF THE CHILD to work together for the best interest of the child. The grandmother had heavy influence on the father of my son. She was more involved in my son's life than the father...and she was a psyco over my son. It got to the point tht i could no longer deal with her being involved as much as she was....i figured that out when she told me i could call her anytime of day if i needed anything. I suffer from anxiety/panic attacks when im stressed and overwhelmed. She came to visit us one day and i told her i had a massive anxiety attack at 2a.m. and wanted to call, but i got through it...i told her i felt like i was having a heart attack ..she asked why i didnt call 911, and i told her my son was sleeping, and i no longer had health insurance...she told me 'NEXT TIME CALL 911 AND TELL THEM YOU,RE GOING TO KILL YOURSELF, AND THEY,LL COME HELP YOU FOR FREE'....Her husband is a retired firefighter of 40+ years....it was then when i started getting really freaked out! I began laying boundaries...I stopped accomodating the family, and attempted to begin holding the father accountable for his responsibilities. OK, enough about me, back to our system...sorry. There are 2 systems in our family/child system..1. Family court 2. Dependency the dependency system has no money...the children who are abused,and neglected. The gal's are volunteer, no high profile attornies, and a lot of the time the parents don,t want their children...but, there is no focus on that system...rather, the family court operation generates. billions of dollars every year. It is a dirty biz. I believe that making it virtually impossible to even get into family court will force parents to find other avenues...that would prove in itself if the true interest is about the child. In many cases, men want to step up...they are good fathers, and desperately love their children. However, a mother cannot be replaced, and a father should not want to replace her...I don't believe the court is gender bias anymore...I believe the court is bias towards parents who love and want what's best for the children. People don't understand children are not 'possessions'. Courts have no emotions, attorneys have no emotion..They see children and families as 'deals', 'numbers', 'possessions', etc. If a mother is capable and willing to care for the child primarily, the child should be with its mother primarily...I also believe if a father is willing and able to be involved, he should be able to as much as he wants.... I believe Women and their emotions allow more flexability, especially when they are not under attack or threat. When it becomes a 'control' issue, a neutral third party could be helpful...which can virtually impossible to find, as they are also a part of this highly profitable industry. There are so many self help resources available, AND churches all around that are beccoming actively involved in providing resourses such as groups, lessons, teachings, and support. Churches all have 1 thing in common...GOD. and GOD=LOVE. We must learn and practice sacrifice, commitment and humility...one can learn such things and find joy in their suffering by faith. And it doesnt reqire years of your salary, life savings, massive debt...but, simply putting aside one,s pride and self. Another belief of mine is :OUTSIDE INFLUENCES SUCH AS FAMILY MEMBERS, FRIEDS,ETC. TO BE SILENCED WHILE THE 2 PARENTS OF THE CHILD WORK TOGETHER. The family law attorney's involved in my case consulted and dealt with our parents more than us, (parents of the child)...they sucked 20's of thousands of dollars from our parents, then tell us (the actual clients) 'they are the attorney, we,re doing things their way and if u have a problem with it, im done!' then claim 'the client wouldnt take legal advise' which gets them off the hook as far as the 'rules of professional conduct' are concerned...I could go on forever...the bottom line is, parents should not be enabled to fight in a court of law simply because they refuse to work with eachother. Commissioners, judges, and family law attorney's should not be able to intervene in family matters without strict regulations, strict supervision, highly qualified credentials, and until parents have engaged in extensive evaluations, life coaching, classes, treatment, or whatever before they can ever enter a courtroom. The court system encourages conflict to continue, and its not about the TRUTH...that's how they stay alive. The. longer you fight, the more the business thrives....let's get a clue and promote unity! That's all for now....
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02/08/2012 8:38:00 PM
She carried them, she took care of them, she comforted them, she kept them as safe as possible from the abuse she was living in... they DID NOT EVEN GET ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATES UNTIL AFTER the delivery so they didn't have to pay for medical costs! The hospital PAID FOR ALL OF THEM! These men were NOT FATHERS they grew to LOVE THEIR CHILDREN AND WANT TO POSSESS THEM because they were good and pure like their mommy. Not until after she filed for child support did either one of them TRY TO TAKE THEM FROM HER... YOU JUST RANT ABOUT THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, most of you don't have a clue, and don't care, how difficult it is to carry a child, give birth to a child, comfort a child, care for a sick child... SO GET OFF OF YOUR WHINEY boo hoo poor me high horses and make a difference in the world. I'm sick of the same kind of excuses I heard from them while she was working two, sometimes three jobs to take care of the children while they ran around in their expensive mommy and daddy paid for cars drinking and having sex with whomever they wanted while she was home with the kids every minute she wasn't working... THIS IS WHY I GET SICK OF HEARING THIS CRAP! Grow up "men" and stop blaming your inadequacies as a human being on the mother of your children... I haven't heard very much common sense or compassion from any of you and i can see why a woman would get tired of being in a relationship with a whiney baby broken record, waaa waaa... MAKE DIFFERENCE, then complain if no one notices... otherwise stfu! good day!
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Rigths 02/08/2012 7:48:00 PM
"According to a 2009 report from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, that year 27.3 percent of child deaths resulting from abuse were perpetrated by the mother, compared to only 14.8 percent of fathers. Mothers and fathers acting together accounted for 22.5 percent of child deaths. According to these same statistics only 2.3 percent of fatalities were committed by a parent’s male partner."
Deborah - I welcome your educated and well founded comments on this statement! Counselor, got something witty to add to this - or should we expect more of what pads your wallet.
Jeske - please take note - your bias is totally flawed!
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Rights 02/08/2012 7:42:00 PM
But Deborah, woman are twice as likely to kill their children. Should these men be advocating that women should not have access to their children. No, because those killing parents are broken, and don't represent the mainstream of parents. Loving parents deserve access to their children, and they deserve to not be biased by unfounded accusations.
You are doing nothing to further your arguments, but showing you are a part of the issue. Gawd help you, and God help your children.
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Rights 02/08/2012 7:35:00 PM
It's a well known fact that Jeske is out of control. The King County Courts keep trying to protect her because she does their dirty work, like a good little tool.
In time, when a Federal Lawsuit is filed against King County, they will all scatter like rats - retiring from the bench, or going into private practice when their financial kingdom is destroyed.
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Rights 02/08/2012 7:32:00 PM
Deborah - did you forget your meds. You, Lady, are out of control, and demonstrating why children should not be in your possession.
Take a chill and discuss this subject reasonably. Reasonable people come to reasonable conclusions.
The rest - well, they rant on websites like this, to demonstrate they are wacked out of proportion.
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Rights 02/08/2012 7:28:00 PM
It is just as sickening to dads as it is to moms that a child was murdered by a parent. But, Deborah, why would you jump on that wagon as your arguement. As a woman, you are almost twice as likely to kill your children.
Josh is not like most fathers, who love their children first. Josh obviously loved himself first, like a true narcisist. He clearly is not an example of a father.
Deborah Parks - it is obvious you need help. I feel bad for you, as it is obvious your thought process is entirely flawed. Your comments are vicious, biased, and not well reasoned. Do your children a favor, get the help you need so you can be a parent to them.
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Rights 02/08/2012 7:23:00 PM
"HER CHILDREN"? That might be a part of the problem. Children have two parents, and you aren't both of them.
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02/08/2012 10:19:00 AM
You've missed the boat. First, prove Josh Powell murdered his wife. Second, if he did, kill his wife it was most likely because she was going to move back to Washington with her children, live with her parents and let the biased Washington Family Court system take his children anyway. Third, you know nothing about men in divorce. I'm a stay at home father and a family law attorney and I've represented just as many men as I have women.
Most fathers are considerate and compassionate fathers and husbands. They love their children and wives and would give their lives for them. Yet they're not perfect. Their first mistake was marrying immature girls who expected their lives would be fairy tale fantasies they see on television. Their second mistake was being immature an believing in the same fantasy.
Unfortunately when women realized they married a real person with real faults, it all comes to a halt and the marriage is done. Of course it was all the husbands fault for failing to live up to a perfect fantasy. At least through the court system the wives can now avenge this failure by blaming the husband for every thing that ever went wrong, in addition to false accusation they now believe and think are justified in order to keep the children to themselves. False accusations such as domestic violence perpetrators and sexual deviant and alcoholics.
For men when the fantasy comes to an end, they recognize reality and generate other fantasies. Though unlike women, men generally they don't attempt to make fantasies a reality because the learn the difference the hard way. That's because a fantasy is a perfect dream and reality is the emotional trauma the first time your mom walks into your bedroom and catches you enjoying that perfect dream.
What's reprehensible about your comments is that you'd rather make Josh Powell as the poster child for even more domineering and repressive treatment of fathers who can't live up to Voque's definition of a man. Bias and discrimination against men exists lady and worse, it's court sanctioned. That's exactly what this article proves. Ignoring this fact is to invite more domestic violence. Men with nothing to lose don't act out because their selfish. The act out because if they're going to be punished for the crime anyway, then they want the satisfaction of having done the crime.
It's women who have beliefs like yourself who are the greatest contributor to increased domestic violence. If you're not the center of attention or running the entire show and controlling every little aspect of your world, including your husband and children, then you're just not happy. And if you're not happy, well then nobody else better be happy as well. That means domestic violence of the worst kind. While physical violence leaves visible proof, few fathers can show the scars of the psychological and emotional torture they endure when your fantasy ends. Truly it's only after men have been entirely broken down emotionally, mentally that they do the unthinkable.
True women abusers exist in this world. Though the majority of men facing domestic violence allegations have no prior history of violence in relationships and most are falsely accused.
In two cases I've had mothers who were convicted of criminal acts of domestic violence against the fathers, and guess who ended up with the children? It wasn't the father. And despite getting three petitions for protection orders dismissed, and proving a mother was lying under oath about the father, a judge in King County still bought the other BS the mother was telling and allowed her full custody.
Of all my cases, I've had two cases where the mother was assaulted. In both instances, the acts committed by the women before the assault were so egregious as be riotous in nature. In both cases, the men owned up to their actions, didn't try to minimize them and accepted their punishment. One mother is a manic-depressive with suicidal tendencies who cannot hold down a job and is constantly moving from one boyfriend to another. The other mother is a narcissistic gambling addict who only uses the father to pay gambling debts while she leaves the children with him most of the time since she too does not have a job, cannot afford a place to live and lives off our tax dollars.
You read the popular trash and trashed the truth. You're not in the trenches. I've been before Les Ponomarchuk, Meg Sassaman, Jackie Jeske, Lori K. Smith, Bonnie Canada-Thurston, Mark Hillman, Nancy Bradburn-Johnson and Elizabeth Casteja. There is unfair bias and discrimination against men in family law. Until you walk a mile in my shoes, then your opinion is doing more damage than good for everyone.
Finally, I've never had a husband ever seek to tar and feather his wife, while it is standard procedure in the majority of my cases for wife to alleged domestic violence. I take all these women at their word because that's what I'm supposed to do. However, it doesn't make what their doing right. However, I do seriously question my women clients about domestic violence, because if I don't want a client to be caught out in a lie by a judge, and once DV enters the picture cases get harder and costlier to settle.
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02/08/2012 8:55:00 AM
Like us, our only consolation is that they have enough money to give the kids whatever they want or need, except mommy... but they still want child support from her,even though they have taken everything' her financial stability, her childrens' childhood, the mommy moments, her self confidence... HER CHILDREN... they have the enough money that the court will not go up against them... until they run out of money, and we will never, never, never give up! WE ARE IN THE MILLIONS AND WE WILL BE HEARD!
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Jolipesek 02/08/2012 6:48:00 AM
Family court judges and commissioners detest 'pro-se' litigants...(people without attornies) why? Because they are all working together...paying eachother...raking in the dough, benifitting immensley off of vaurnable, broken, confused, and struggling people in the midst of crisis. The halls of the family courtrooms are best compared to a shark feeding frenzy, or an auction...although, I believe an auction selling cattle is probably cleaner than that which takes place at the courthouse. I despise family law attornies, commissioners, judges, facilitators, gal,s,administrators, etc. That hasn't worked out for me too well the last 18 mos.. I stand firm that I will not make any 'deals', or negotiate with terrorists. Im in the appeal process as of now, and by the grace of God I was able to retain representation. After a year and a half of public humiliation, discrimination and loss of my son, who only knows life with his mother as primary caregiver until he was almost 10 when the court, the attorney,s, daddy, daddy,s wife, and daddy,s parents saw a profit opportunity...daddy hadn't paid child support for 2 yrs. Telling me he couldn't due to the economy...I let him slide on many occasions since 2004 (daddy initiated a parenting plan before he would have anything to do with his son. Beginning at age 4, naming me as primary caregiver, choosing to spend little time with my son, paying minimal child support, etc.) because money for me was not an issue....i lost my business of almost 10 yrs. In Aug. 2009, and suffered severe trauma due to unfortunate circumstanses. I allowed my son to attend school in daddy,s district as I could not afford to send him back to private school he had attended since age 3, due to the substantial financial hardship I encountered, and daddy unable to pay child support. I commuted my son almost every day to his dad,s house 20 miles away for almost an entire school year, no child support, no help with transportation, nothing...his dad wasn't even home most of the time after school like he promised he would be. Nonetheless, i took him and picked him up doing my best to cope. I lost my health insurance when the financial harship began...daddy was court ordered to provide insurance for my son, but never did because i did. When i lost the insurance, daddy convinced me that the only way he could provide healtth insurance was if he claimed my son as a dependant...i didnt ask questions, and just said fine, whatever needs to happen for my son to have health insurance. As i continued to struggle as an auto dealer, believing daddy was struggling also the grandparents offered to help...i trusted them as my own parents. I trusted the father of my son...only to find out i was being set up the entire time. they brought a petition to modify cuustody just as I began to regain stability alledging my son lives with him, he was a Dependant and had been "integrated into his home", my enviroment is detrimental, and i am mentally ill...with the advice, guidance and works of attorney Cynthia Bailey daddy succeeded in obtaing full custody by blatently lying in sworn written, and verbal statments in a court of law. I can only have faith that the attorney who was paid over 50k by daddy,s parents (the grandparents, records were presented in court) manipulated, and heavily influenced he and his parents to proceed as they have. I do not want to believe they ever intended to completely destroy our "family" as fake, and dysfunctional as it really was, nor compromise and severely damage the life of my son as they have. I lost custody of my son when my hired, paid attorney Michele O'Loane did not apppear in court at the 'show cause' hearing. I was deemed disabled by the State of WA almost immediately after i lost custody of my son. I was diagnosed with acute anxiety disorder resulting from the emotional trauma i had experienced. I pleaded to the court, the attorney,s, the facilitators, to legislature, the WSBA and many others for help, for investigations, for a gal, mediation...and i was mocked, abused and rejected. The more i pleaded, the worse it got. For those of you who who have been victimized by hate, deception, and injustice I want to encourage you: NEVER GIVE UP! STAND FIRM AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT! This horrorific experience gave me a choice...1. To live or 2. Die. I chose to live. I now say with pride: this was a divine intervention by God. Life as I know it no longer exists. Its turning out to be a blessing disguised. The truth about those i once trusted has been revealed, i am now set apart from them, as they are evil and sinister. I am recovering slowly but surely...1 day at a time. I still see my son on a regular basis, and do everything necessary to be my son,s mother...the only one he will ever have. My appeal is now pending...i pray i will prevail so i can protect him. My heart breaks for him each day as he is so confused, and he is being so strong. Regardless of the outcome in court, I will ALWAYS be my son,s ONLY mother. I have made the choice to share the love of Christ, for it is He who has given me life. I have chosen to help others to see hope, not to give up, and have faith in our Father. I know God is in control, and I trust Him. So, I wait with patience and thank Him for all the blessings I do have. My heart goes out to you who have been violated unimaginably. Keep focused on faith, get those Bibles out and start doing what God commands......we are nothing without Him, and He has a purpose for each and everyone.
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Jolipesek 02/08/2012 2:05:00 AM
I agree with the statement "GET UP, AND DO SOMETHING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!" I see its agreed on all comments the system is broken...we must act, and fight for our children. The system is bias to all parents who care and love their children...the court and its affiliates are thriving off of the 'family courts system. There are not enough funds to help those who cannot and will not lie, cheat and steal. The system is 'trafficking' our families and children for fun and profit. I believe strongly there must be reform...attornies who practice family law should be required to have phd,s in child and family psychology...jury trials for custody disputes, criminal charges for purgury prosecuted to the fullest extent, AND JUDGES, COMMISSIONERS, ATTORNIES,GAL,S, AND THE WHOLE JUDICIAL SYSTEM STRICTLY REGULATED JUST AS DR.,S, DENTISTS, HAIR DRESSERS, CAR DEALERS, etc. The justice system is 'self regulated'...please do some research...there is no accountability, responsibility, nor standards which have to be met. Our families and children are being so severely abused, and its by those who are supposed to be protecting us. The civil system in terms of family court cannot be touched by the criminal side...its protected by ch.26 of the RCW...we need to unleash prosecutors, law enforsment, detectives, and forensic specialists on the monsters who have authority with no qualifications to be anywhere near our children. The Texas judge who beat his own child is a perfect example of what our family court judges and commissioners are. Each and every one of them. Sick, corrupt, and abusive. We must take action people!
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A Patient Man 02/07/2012 9:49:00 PM
Josh Powell represents a failure of the Court and systeminc professionals to protect two children, AGAIN. This is tragic, but again if the Courts (this time Pierce Count Superior Court Commissioners) had actually taken action at the first sign of issue, like when the mother dissapeared this could have been avoided. Had the DSHS followed the law and required the Visitation Supervisor 1. Be willing to protect the children from harm 2. Be able to protect the children from harm, I am sure you will have problems from this part but if it means supervisors need to be 6'4" 300lb as opposed to 19 year old kids then so be it.
Why 3 years later is a Comprehensive Psychological Evaluation just now being ordered? The wife and mother has been missing this fact is not new news. This should have been ordered first thing. Social Workers or LMHC cannot perform Psych Evals PhD's are required it is time to stop relying on undereducated and underqualified profiteer's to safegard our children.
I find it interesting that out of the 250 or so comments on this article yours is the one which hypes the death of children, where is your outrage for Sky Metalwala? Likely he is in some shallow grave now, or are you simply going to say "oh, poor Julia she must has a mental health issue". So using your logic the STATE should simply take the children because men and women have the ability to be violent.
"NO JUDGE, COURT, ANYWHERE SHOULD GIVE CHILDREN TO MEN, EVER", "MOTHERS OF LITTLE BABIES" "EARN THE RIGHT BY BEING A GOOD DAD..." statements a belief's like this will keep the system just the way it is right now, and we as a society can keep right on mouning the loss of children. As a father and a man I find them personally offensive.
Biryukova lied got a DV Protection Order because of misguided outdated statements like you make. Commissioner Jeske ordered undereducated biased professionals to help Mr. Metalwala and totally excused her, where is missing Sky???
SYSTEMIC FAILURE = TWO MORE CHILD VICTIMS
Until people like you start looking to fix the problem and not claiming the entire female population to be some type of victim the problem stays the same. Sit back and continue to make BS statements or get out and try and make a difference.
Chris Hupy
Washington Domestic Violence Commission
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1screweddad 02/07/2012 4:28:00 PM
I am not telling you what to do. My apologies if I came across that way. I am merely pointing out that labeling all fathers as "bad" is discrimination.
I am also using reality (Metalwala and Anthony cases) to justify my opinion. That being, individuals hurt individuals regardless of religion, race, age or gender and ANY generalizing or categorizing of ANY of them is DISCRIMINATION!
This country has worked past many forms of discrimination from desegregation to women's suffrage. This is another form of discrimination that also needs to end.
"Authorities said during a press conference Wednesday that 25-year-old Lashanda Armstrong, of Newburgh, N.Y., had just been involved in a domestic dispute before she loaded her children into the vehicle and drove them into the river." - FOX News April 13, 2011
"She might try to run away with them, or keep them from him, or keep them from abuse and harm, but SHE IS NOT GOING TO KILL HER CHILDREN..." That's an outdated generalization.
I agree that the system is broken! But I'm also saying that there are plenty of mothers out there capable of hurting others. Even children. A new system needs to recognize and judge each case individually and do the background investigations regardless of cost or time which is what they are always saying is a main reason why they currently don't. All the while, children are paying the price.
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02/07/2012 3:35:00 PM
How dare you tell me what to do! You use EVERY LITTLE TIDBIT OF EVERYTHING TO TRY TO JUSTIFY YOUR ATTITUDES. Two years ago I knew HE KILLED THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN it happens more often than a mother doing anything to her children and men justify their actions by using the word "snap" and discrimination and other crap. yes I will mention that this man killed is children, because it happens A LOT MORE OFTEN AND FOR A LOT LESS REASON and most mothers that hurt their children do it because they're messed up anyway, not to get back at a man whom she abused and he took her children. She might try to run away with them, or keep them from him, or keep them from abuse and harm, but SHE IS NOT GOING TO KILL HER CHILDREN BECAUSE THE MAN SHE MARRIED DID NOT WANT TO BE WITH HER ANYMORE, which is why most marriages break up anyway!!!
Don't judge me because I USE REALITY TO JUSTIFY MY OPINION of society's behavior, what legitimate information can you use to justify your opinions besides your own selfish behaviors and attitudes... I see this every time I read these posts...blah blah blah... poor me, poor me, poor me... what about the children? Can you see in your mind what they went through when their mommy "disappeared" and when a hatchet was coming at them from a man who was their "father" and when the room exploded, it wasn't even over, they died of smoke inhalation!!! WTF I can't use this to justify my opinion of YOU?
In your defense, there is a good chance pharmaceutical drugs can be a part of the abuse by MANY, MANY PARENTS, mothers or fathers, and THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL GOING ON EVERYWHERE THERE IS ABUSE, I WOULD LOOK FOR PRESCRIBED DRUGS FOR DEPRESSION or BIPOLAR DISORDER, or something that involves emotional instability for one reason or another... I'm not hating on YOU, just that the system that gives children to men is broken and the operations manual MUST BE REVISED AND REWRITTEN...
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1screweddad 02/07/2012 3:23:00 PM
I knew someone would just have to try and use this tragedy to further their own biased opinions.
2 thoughts:
Where is Sky Metalwala and who's responsible for his disappearance?
And ever hear of Caylee Anthony? Who's responsible for her disappearance?
These are just 2 examples of women's violence toward children and there are more and more in the news these days. But instead of saying "NO JUDGE, COURT, ANYWHERE SHOULD GIVE CHILDREN TO WOMEN - EVER." I'm saying each case MUST be judged individually regardless of this increase in women's violence toward children and this recent horrible tragedy.
"If you want to see your children BE NICE, work with their grandparents, their mother, their other relatives. NO MOTHER WANTS HER CHILDREN TO GROW UP WITHOUT FAMILY."
What BS! My ex wants nothing more than for me to be gone. They would never allow my child to see or even talk over the phone with my side of the family - EVER! Just so my ex and her own mother can raise my daughter in their weird way which would mean no school, no doctor visits, eating highly processed-just add boiling water food (and calling that vegetarian), not having any friends, being told what to think and how to feel and sitting around watching TV all day. Wow! What a life that would be huh? Does she sound like a candidate for mother of the year or someone who should seek counseling?
It boils down to bad parenting.
Parenting has no gender boundaries and I know many fathers that are far better parents than the mother and I'm one of them. It happens! And these father's should not be judged as guilty solely based on gender! It's DISCRIMINATION!
"EARN THE RIGHT BY BEING A GOOD DAD, THEN YOU MIGHT GET YOUR RIGHTS AS A FATHER." FU! By being a good dad and being nice do you mean caving in to the mother's every whim and not having a voice or a say in anything regarding the raising of our children? No thanks. That sums up how my marriage was and is the reason why I divorced her.
How dare you use this tragedy to spread your discriminatory views!
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02/07/2012 9:18:00 AM
What do women being murdered have to do with...? wtf, everything. and don't forget children being murdered too, when men just 'snap' HELP MOTHERS KEEP THEIR CHILDREN, THAT'S WHAT REAL MEN WOULD DO!
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02/07/2012 9:15:00 AM
A man just violently murdered his two children after killing their mother 2 years ago... yea, we should really stand up for men put in jail for "false" allegations of abuse, when the next thing you know their wives are missing and their children are DEAD! I'm sorry but if you want any sympathy from the rest of the world, give up your selfish booo hooo poor mee crap and defend and protect mothers worldwide against abuse and losing their children to corrupt cps and corrupt family court! NO JUDGE, COURT, ANYWHERE SHOULD GIVE CHILDREN TO MEN - EVER. If you want to see your children BE NICE, work with their grandparents, their mother, their other relatives. NO MOTHER WANTS HER CHILDREN TO GROW UP WITHOUT FAMILY. most men have no idea what this means. it's all about "me, me, me" what do I want, I want my kids, waaaa waaaa waaaa, i'm sorry, but if a few bad men make it bad for good fathers, then fight those men NOT THE MOTHERS OF LITTLE BABIES!!! sorry, but EARN THE RIGHT BY BEING A GOOD DAD, THEN YOU MIGHT GET YOUR RIGHTS AS A FATHER.
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Prosedad 02/07/2012 8:36:00 AM
Jacqueline Jeske just put a dad in jail in a child support contempt proceeding WITHOUT the dad having his right to an attorney. This due process right is laid out in STATE v. KNIGHT, 142 Wn. App. 291, 174 P.3d 1198 (2007). Read about it at LEGALWA dot O-R-G, click on search cases and plug in "142 Wn. App. 291". The court of appeals REVERSED big, fat, angry Ponomarchuk's decision to throw Roger Knight in jail.
When the State fought against Knight and wanted to KEEP Knight in jail and uphold Ponomarchuk's ruling, GUESS WHICH ATTORNEY REPRESENTED the State on the losing end? Yep! Jacqueline Jeske. So, she KNOWS about Constitutional rights for dads facing child support contempt cuz she got humiliated and got her butt kicked by the self-represented PRO SE Roger Knight in the Court of Appeals. Yet, she is CURRENTLY ignoring that case that she was involved in just 5 years ago, and throws a dad in jail, just to get her man-hater rocks off.
This is a travesty. EVERYONE should be writing a CJC complaint on Jeske.
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02/06/2012 4:46:00 PM
Don't get married or have kids and you won't have to suffer through this crap. For the man, there's no benefit to getting married. None. Better to stay single and become a serial dater. Better for your career, your wallet, and your long-term sanity.
Harsh - and sad - but that's what the system has created.
(Refer to "Leykis 101" for the new rules.)
Just a thought.
VicB3
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1screweddad 02/06/2012 3:44:00 PM
Dear bigot,
Lets use another word and it's definition to better describe the situation.
"Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership in a certain group or category."
Now allow me to quote your stats -
"More than 3 women a day are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends
(Family Violence Prevention Fund).
Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury and death to women
worldwide and gender violence causes more death and disability among
women ages 15--44 than cancer, malaria, traffic accidents or war.
(Kroeger and Nason-Clark, 2001).
One in three women around the globe is physically or sexually abused
in her lifetime (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2003).
Every 9 seconds a woman is beaten in the U.S.A."
So men who are not given due process and arbitrarily judged as guilty of a horrible crime is based on what? If your answer is "err on the side of caution", you are instantly putting all men in the same categories of DV perp and/or deadbeat dad and lesser of a parent. Not investigating each and every case on an individual basis is robbing these fathers of due process and this is called DISCRIMINATION!
We are not all deadbeat dads and some like myself take great pride in our domestic abilities.
I invite you to do some more reading. Try "The Myth Of Male Power" by Warren Farrell and then get back to us when you have something intelligent, non-biased nor bigoted to say.
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Prosedad 02/06/2012 1:21:00 PM
@ Counselor--everyone please note that the "Counselor" is sooooooo credible, soooooo real and soooooooo genuine that he hides his identity. (He's getting schooled left and right by "laymen"....typical for any "expert" in the vermin infested world of family court).
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Proseadad 02/06/2012 1:19:00 PM
@ Counselor (allegedly): Check out Martin S. Fiebert of Cal State Long Beach and his bibliography of 275 scholarly investigations (214 emperical studies and 61 reviews/analyses) which show wome are as or more physically aggressive than men. 275 to your pathetic 3.
Also note the millions of victimized men who don't report DV.
Fathers & Families is full of stats and studies that refute your specious bullcrap too. There are collected data that show women are MORE likely to kill a spouse/boyfriend when you take into account the NON violent crimes of poisonings, or when they are indirectly involved and orchestrate a "hit".
Or maybe your ignorant azz should simply watch a few episodes of "Snapped" on Oxygen channel to help bring to life some reality and pop your sheltered, cushy, narcissistic world where you evaluate and diagnose DV 100% of the time so that you can self refer and make $$$$.
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Prosedad 02/06/2012 1:09:00 PM
@ Counselor: You brag about your expertise. You cannot possible have the wall of credentials, accolades and rewards that Pervert Stuart Greenberg did--not even close. And he videotaped women and children in his office bathroom and killed himself, writing a suicide note that he ruined lives. If he was THE BEST the family courts had to offered in the expert realm, where does that make you fall?
Your braggart tone about your work in this industry is self-incriminating. Every expert outside your industry thinks you are the bottom of the barrell and that the family law and DV industry is full of perverts. The fact you brag about assessing folks and making money in a cess pool of vermin is NOT flattering. But, again it is self-incriminating.
Your theories about DV are a crock. "domestic violence" is a title slapped indiscriminantly on different stats. If you put it together with all other crimes it does not stand out. It's already against the law to kill and assault. When you make a "special" DV law, you are singling it out so you can "rack up" stats.
What do you think about the definition of DV including the "fear" of harm. That means that if you are a paranoid schizophrenic, then all of your family/intimates are committing DV because you fear them. That's the most assinine definition of a crime out there. And it's pre-emptive. Since when do we arrest someone because we FEAR they WILL rob 7-11 in the FUTURE? The radical feminists have pimped the legislature and if you actually believe all this, they've pimped you and turned you into a limp wristed, sissy coward who is afraid to offend, hurt the feelings of or tick off women (feminists). How does it feel to be hen-pecked by N.O.W. et al?
Why don't you "man up" and actually just tell us who you are, if YOU ARE ACTUALLY TELLING THE TRUTH.
You're the epitome of a hypocrite and the epitome of a coward. Outside of your burgoise, aristocrat while collar extortion/racketteering world, you'd be called a "mark", "buster", "simp", and a number of other words that describe males who have sold out to their own gender just like slaves who tried to "get in the house". I DARE you to actually have the guts to tell us who you are...most folks on here aren't hiding their identity.
Punk.
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Prosedad 02/06/2012 12:57:00 PM
Counselor (Greenberg like pervert and distorter of truth): The FACT that domestic violence exists does not AUTOMATICALLY make it true that the "odds are they made the right call". You are an assinine, imbasillic idiot.
The two don't match. Can you quote murder rates in the public sector and then say, "The odds are this man that I read about in the newspaper is guilty." That's NOT POSSIBLE to conclude. You have to look at the actual facts of the case you are talking about.
You're so brainwashed by the radical feminists that you think throwing out stats OVERCOMES proving a particular case IN COURT by the EVIDENCE.
What the hell are you talking about? You JUST PROVED what a bunch of dumbazzes psychologists/counselors really are.
Some stats claim that 60% of psychologists suffer from some kind of borderline personality disorder, like Toupee Roland Maiuro does.....or Doug Bartholomew does (actually Roland tells his "clients" that Bartholomew is a manic depressive)--they all eat their own.
Also, many psychologists think that you DV counselors are full of crap. How about that? Bartholomew received a restraining order after he stalked his ex. DV was committed at his office and he didn't report it. You guys evaluate for DV, then FIND DV, so then you recommend treatment so you can make $$$$$$$. You're admission that you're a DV counselor is an admission that you are a hustler and racketeering operator.
Your mentally ill outlook and skewed perception of reality when you ascertained this article show that you are so caught up in the DV dogma that you are in your own little fake phony world. You actually believe all the bullcrap you just said and are bragging about it.
90% of the guys in your office are there because of false allegations...how about that for some ODDS, you pathetic hypocrite. The worse thing about you (beyond your $$ making extortion, hustler racket) is that you are aiding and abeting the destruction of children's lives by perpetuation the continued deprivation of a biological parent -- the #1 thing that child needs.
YOU YOURSELF are an indirect child abuser. And you scornfully and haughtily brag about it, all while hiding your identity, like some punk sissy weasel coward like Roland or Bartholomew, or Phoenix Counseling sociopaths who have agreements with GAL Don Layton for referrals (Don Layton killed his own child and he's a GAL! Go figure. He flirts with and gets sexual favors from parties to a case and then writes them favorable reports).
I wonder if you do the same, Mr. DV expert. Or do you have a hidden camera like Greenberg did, videotaping women and children using his office bathroom?
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Jane 02/06/2012 6:57:00 AM
with maturity like that we're all in trouble. How old are you anyway? my kids say stuff like that, but they're 10. Do you really think that two wrongs make a right? No one on this thread is saying that DV of any kind is OK...except you. We are all talking about reducing violence and bias not perpetuating it. Please get some help before you hurt someone.
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Robg 02/06/2012 6:50:00 AM
Toby Thaler;
the corruption still exists. How were you able to get compensated for the BS you endured? i'm burned through $200k+ and no end in sight.
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Seattledad 02/06/2012 6:34:00 AM
@ counselor;
take a look at this commercial that aired during the super bowl and tell us what you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPM6y3ZnAo
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Dad 02/06/2012 6:17:00 AM
@ counselor
If you are in fact a certified DV counselor in WA state then you are more than familiar with the Duluth model. The Duluth model of DV treatment is the standard in WA. Those familiar with Duluth will clearly recognize your comments as minimizing, denying and blaming. As a counselor you will recognize my approach to clear and direct communication. You are a hypocrite. You absolutely refuse to accept that FACT that fake DV and judicial bias is rampant in our WA family law courts. I know it exists because I have witnessed it personally. Nina Shapiro simply shined a light on the experience of 3 local fathers. There are plenty more…as if volume matters. You minimize the very real pain and suffering of children separated from their loving fathers by mothers, their unscrupulous attorneys and clearly biased family law commissioners. What do women being murdered have to do with a family law system that refuses to follow rules of evidence and continues to separate children from loving fathers? Yes it is tragic. No one disputes that, but refusing to follow rules of evidence and refusing to investigate allegations of fake DV will not solve the problem. Where is Sky Metalwalla? One of our more infamous family law commissioners refused to look at the evidence and instead followed her usual process of ordering the children out of the father’s life and into sequestration with their mentally ill mother. The father was then ordered to complete a DV program with Wellspring Family services or Doug Bartholomew and Associates – names I’m sure you recognize. In these programs he will be further denigrated and forced to confess to allegations of DV that never happened. His refusal to confess will be seen as denial and he will be discharged, permanently separated from his children. Great solution. And you seem to be proud to call yourself a DV counselor. Keep deluding yourself so you can sleep at night…ignorance is bliss.
Here are some facts that will shed some light on the “state of the art” in DV treatment in WA:
The curriculum of the Duluth model was developed in 1981 and from what I can tell has not been updated in the past 30+ years. Duluth model was developed by a “small group of activists in the battered women’s movement” 15 (including representatives from EMERGE in Boston, 15 p. viii) and was designed to be used by non-professionals in court-mandated groups. The curriculum of the model stresses that violence is used as a form of “power and control” and a “Power and Control Wheel” has become a famous insignia of the program. Power and control are seen as being an exclusively male problem. As the authors put it “they are socialized to be dominant and women to be subordinate” (p. 5, all quotes are from Pence and Paymar 15. Hence, the “educational” aspect of the program deals with male privilege that exists in patriarchal structures such as North American countries. The Duluth/Emerge view of female violence is that it is always self-defensive; in fact, can only be self-defensive. Male battering is viewed as stemming from beliefs that men are, or should be the boss in the household. According to the manual, the basis for these beliefs came from a sample of 5 battered women and 4 men who had completed the Duluth program. This then became the empirical foundation of domestic violence practice: a sample of nine clients recently completing an ideologically infused intervention. The facilitator is advised to use slavery or a colonial relationship as an example to “draw a picture of the consciousness of domination” (p. 49).15 The Duluth model uses role plays to show male abusiveness (p 61) and raises men’s consciousness about trivializing women’s anger (p. 62). Any and all risk factors for IPV (stress on the perpetrator, impulse control problems, trait anger, communication skill deficits, couples negative interaction, personality disturbance, inter alia) are dismissed as “excuses”. Reviews of treatment outcome success of Duluth/Emerge models have uniformly found the intervention to fail16-18. It has no effect beyond control groups in diminishing recidivism.
Your position that it’s OK for children and their fathers to be discriminated against is pathetic. How is OK for children to spend their childhood without their loving fathers? How is that justified in your world?
This well researched and written article is about the very real and rampant problem of gender bias right here, right now in WA family law. Such bias and denial is perpetuated by and unfortunately to be expected from those in the DV industry, but it should not be tolerated and it should not be tolerated by our judiciary.
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Father 02/06/2012 5:41:00 AM
@ counselor -
This is so typical of the misdirection and outdated thinking of the DV industry. Any industry that blindly bows to an industry model as ill-conceived and outdated as Duluth is destined for mediocrity...at best. Continuing to deny and minimize and blame may help you keep your job, but will do nothing to help us rid WA of fake DV. Your industry is stuck in 1981 and is in much need of a serious house cleaning.
So how is it that you know Nina Shapiro makes 25% less than her male peers? This comment sounds like it comes form the same well of knowledge that says false allegations of DV don't happen and that women aren't violent. How is Nina's salary relevant to this conversation? You seem to be saying that it's OK to discriminate against fathers and their children because women have been discriminated against too. And you are a "counselor"? - how mature. Part of the problem i see from personal experience in the DV industry is the refusal to accept change and the habit of clinging to false statistics and long out-dated philosophies - the Duluth model of DVPT comes to mind. Here are some interesting stats:
Women now fill a majority of jobs in the U.S., including 51.4 percent of managerial and professional positions, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. Some 23 percent of wives now out-earn their husbands, according to a 2010 study by the Pew Research Center. And this earnings trend is more dramatic among younger people. Women 30 and under make more money, on average, than their male counterparts in all but three of the largest cities in the U.S. I don't know Nina's age, but it seems to me you are spewing outdated statistics in a an effort to deceive and to defend your outdated DV thinking. There are more female college graduates in the US than male ("there are now a million more female college graduates than male. As recently as 2000 it was the opposite: There were a million more men than women with a bachelor's or graduate degree. - US census bureau 2009").
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In2fords 02/06/2012 5:32:00 AM
Dear counselor,
Have you any Proof of your stats? Is it the FBI study? That stat has been used Allot but the FBI has stated repeatedly that they never have or ever will do a study on domestic violence or anything close! What about the federal study on child abuse? Our own government have facts and charts that show single mothers are responsible for over %50 of child abuse, married mothers are responsible for %25 and fathers both single and married only commit under%25!!!!! That's a federal, national study!! That's facts, that's real!
How many women have slapped their husband in the face for not understanding her dress problem? How many are charged with dv even if done in front of a judge? none yet men are convicted of dv if a woman claims she is afraid he might smack her even if he has never done it ever!
How do we expect a court that gets federal funding for finding dv against only women to not find it? They have a lot of bills and only one way to pay, finding dv against only women. What is so scary about being gender neutral and also issuing protection orders against women?
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Dad 02/06/2012 4:40:00 AM
@ counselor
One might expect such finger pointing and name-calling from a child (“women have been discriminated against for years so why shouldn’t we discriminate against men?”), but coming from a self-proclaimed DV counselor it is, well, childish. Did your patents not teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right?
Also to be expected from a DV counselor is the less than mature tactic of sighting statistics that are purposely misleading to detract from the discussion at hand. While the plight of women in Asia, the middle east and Africa are tragic they are irrelevant to this article. If we were to use your twisted and childish logic perhaps we should say “well women in Afghanistan are beaten all the time by men, what’s the big deal?” This well researched and well written article by Nina Shapiro is about the very real and systemic problem of gender bias right here in our WA family courts…with plenty of assistance from the DV industry. Here are some REAL statistics regarding DV right here in the USA. http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php
These statistics are real and though you may feel they represent a threat to your paycheck they are nonetheless representative of what is REALLY happening right here in the US right now. As long as you and your fellow DV industry actors continue to live in the past and deny the realities of the here and now we will never reduce DV let alone eliminate it. As long as this subject is relegated to a childish “men VS women” pissing match you may continue to eek out a living off the misfortune of fathers and their children, but you will never reduce DV. Please take a hard look within and see if you can accept this invitation to sit down and address this very real issue faced by very real children and their very loving fathers. Please respond with your contact information and I will do the same.
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Dad 02/06/2012 4:06:00 AM
@ counselor, i read your comments while watching the super bowl with my girlfriend. We were discussing how it is to be expected from DV counselors to deny, minimize and blame. Do those words sound familiar? Then this Dannon Yogurt commercial came on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPM6y3ZnAo
Please tell me how a woman restraining a man then headbutting him and knocking him to the floor then threatening him again would be seen by the DV industry? I'd like your 'professional" opinion please. If the roles were reversed do you suppose the DV world would jump into action and raise complete hell with Dannon?
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Mainoffice 02/06/2012 2:10:00 AM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/05/10325025-husband-sons-of-missing-woman-die-in-blast
According to your article I am guessing you would have thought that this man should have recieved full custody.
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Sharkysparky 02/05/2012 10:44:00 PM
To 'Counselor": It seems to me that the fact that you are some kind of "counselor" in this field makes you a part of the problem, not the solution.
You make a statement regarding gender bias against females since the beginning of time- We aren't talking about the entire history of mankind here, and shame on you for tainting the water with your bleeding-heart examples. Suffrage? Please. Nina wasn't around back then so probably doesn't care because she can vote now, and always has had that right. It shows that you are, obviously, completely anti-male and therefore a champion of the problem.
We are talking here about gender bias in the Court System against decent, loving fathers who never get the chance to argue their cause in fromt of a court until the are already blacklisted as a "perpetrator" simply by accusation, and without proof of fact. You apparently already know that DV laws in the State of Washington are intended to rip families apart and are very effective at that, and I am positive that you have made a healthy living off of it, too. I think you don't give a rat's ass how MEN get to your counseling services, just as long as they do.
How many protection order hearings have you attended? How many women you have 'treated' for domestic violence perpetration? I'll bet my next paychech that the answer to both questions can be counted on one finger or less. Your statistics actually are worthless in the courtroom, because Commissioners have already made up their minds regarding the outcome. And as I wrote before: YOU are part of the PROBLEM. ... and I'll bet a dollar that you're a woman.
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BeenThere 02/05/2012 6:14:00 PM
Dear Counselor:
I suspect no thinking and feeling individual would dispute your historic facts but you completely miss the point and your failure to grasp the significance of Ms. Shapiro's article alarms me.
The inherent unfairness of historic sexism is not in debate here. Neither is the reality of domestic violence, which is quite real and horrible. But the fact is the system is broken.
Sadly I think a large reason for that systemic failure is the self-serving but also well meaning zeal of social workers and therapists who often entered their profession because of their own baggage and their own sense of victimization. I have seen an alarming number of "counselors" who had perhaps earned a Masters Degree but have never had to subject their biases to the intellectual rigor of real research and the accountability that (usually) comes at a doctoral level.
Had they looked more closely at the data the counselors would see that the system is demonstrably NOT working to resolve the issues related to domestic violence. In fact the data indicates just the opposite. So the system mostly serves as a way for angry people to "get even" -- often directing their animus at the wrong targets.
Another challenging fact is that the very people who profit from the system (paramount among them the large network of "counselors" and other experts who are paid well to "treat" all the DV "perps") are the very same folks who write the definitions of what should be considered Domestic Violence and how it should be treated. It is classic incontrovertible conflict of interest.
Bottom line is you have an undertrained, biased, special interest group -- perhaps pissed off about their own unfortunate past -- making some very critical decisions that have arguably in recent years destroyed far more lives and families than they have helped.
The aim of the system should be to preserve and support families, not crusading independent social workers and angry, disreputable lawyers like Jan Dyer (who is so frequently in hot water with her colleagues, the bench and the bar that she deserves a large investigative article all her own).
It is really alarming that in the noble effort to "cause least harm" the family courts in King County have caused immeasurable harm and the only ones who profit are those like Ms. Dyer and the unrestrained ineffective counseling programs that pump dry both the system and the unhappy participants on both sides of an already unhappy divorce.
Pokee's post is illuminating but sadly not as easy as polemic sexual politics
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Dhumenny 02/05/2012 3:07:00 PM
Hey Counselor. Every human being needs to be protected and feel safe. Every human being needs to be held accountable when they commit any act of dv. And every human being should be prosecuted when they lie about being the victim of dv taking the resources and courts time away from actual victims. Equality for everyone is here and you need to update your thinking to the current era.
Also, what are the stats on men committing DV a day or 2 after they walked out of a family law hearing where their life has been turned upside down by having a BOGUS PO issued against them preventing them from seeing their kids and being kicked out of their homes. No history of DV or anything and all of a sudden, they are being treated like some kind of terrible monster. Their kids are taken away. Their assets are about to be taken away. And false allegations to get the upper hand in the proceedings are used once again. This can cause many good men to snap causing them to want to validate the allegations. How many interviews after a horrific murder of the mother and her family with neighbors saying, "he was nothing like this at all, nicest guy you would ever want to meet." Well, lies about an innocent man can cause any one to snap during an emotional time like this. I'm now keeping track of horrific stories in the press where the man was recently in front of a family law commissioner listening to false allegations and then he walked out and did what he did. You should keep that in mind when looking at your stats of all the horrible things men have done. I know you will never budge from your position because you have to demonize men in order to continue to generate your invoices and to also help you sleep some at night. I'm not a religious person but i do believe in karma. Its unfortunate you didn't have a loving connected relationship with your dad. He probably could've been a huge help in your life instead of your current mission to destroy other loving fathers from being in their kids lives.
Dwayne 425-766-7677.
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powertothepeaceful 02/05/2012 9:26:00 AM
I'm a feminist. I couldn't fight for civil rights and not be a feminist, because inequality is wrong. Sure women should get paid the same as men for doing the same job, and men should have the same rights as women in family court, and women's familial violence should get the same recognition as men's.
Ultimately, DV courts a racket that have nothing to do with justice and everything to do with economic self perpetuation. What they do is called extortion, and it is repugnant.
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A Patient Man 02/05/2012 8:41:00 AM
Actual data, NIce work.
I wish all parties on all sides of this issue would take the time to actually understand the facts surrounding these issues,
Nice.
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Gigtapes 02/05/2012 8:33:00 AM
The level of bias against men in the courts and abuse of the system by scorned Women seeking financial and custodial advantage through Protection Orders has reached the level of an epidemic that does nothing to reduce cases of domestic violence and that impedes the effectiveness of violence reduction measures that should be in place to prevent senseless losses such as what was seen in the Sky Metalwala case.
To suggest that fairness should not be applied and evidence not considered on a case by case basis is insanity in its most perverse form. Why are men insisting that the courts review the evidence before making a determination if they have something to hide?
Or is it that women are terrified of having the truth of their willingness to destroy a father's bond with his child by way of fabricated allegations revealed?
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guest 02/05/2012 8:30:00 AM
True story: I had an Uncle who worked at an automotive-repair shop back in the early 80's who was absolutely convinced that all the hype he heard about Japanese cars being much more reliable than American cars was completely wrong because of all the Japanese cars that were coming into the shop he worked at. What he learned later on, was that the owner had changed hands and the new owner decided to only service Japanese vehicles.
Do you think it's possible that your own opinion could be biased due to the fact that you work at a domestic violence clinic which only receives male referrals for the very reasons uncovered in Nina's article?
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A Patient Man 02/05/2012 8:10:00 AM
I, along with a room full of supporters of this bill testified in support of SB6511, I thank you for your support HP!!!
In reviewing some of the notable supporters of this bill, ACLU, Washington Criminal Defense Attorney Association, Washington DV Commission, WADVC (with the stipulation that the female petitioners be appointed free lawyers). The Legislature knows change is long overdue.
Some opposed to this bill Superior Court Judges Association, District and Muni Judges Association, if your are as suprised as I was to learn that our tax dollars go to fund paid Lobbists for our elected Superior Court Judges, thats right and they are part of the Administrative arm of the Courts so of course they do not have to provide Public Disclosure.
Please take a few minutes to email your legislator and tell your story and plead for change.
Thank you.
Chris Hupy
Washington Domestic Violence Commission
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Concerned 02/05/2012 8:03:00 AM
Statistics can be skewed, put of of context or simply be falsified. In modern science, any worthy paper undergoes an independent peer-review and those peers are not the interested parties. The current system comes awfully close to bolschevik troikas where the life-altering decisions are made on the spot with no regard to any fact or reason. How many more children do we need to victimize for all of us to realize that this is not the society that we really think of ourselves to live in.
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Rights 02/05/2012 7:52:00 AM
Momatrust1, you really need to move to a different neighborhood. There is such thing as bad neighborhoods.
Want a sense of reality. Turn on Jerry Springer some day, watch who in on his stage, and tell me women don't committ domestic violence. It's shameful, but reflective of some neighborhoods.
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Rights 02/05/2012 7:38:00 AM
I think you miss the important part of this an intimate partner for a woman can be a woman, and for a man it can be a man. I believe their are studies that show that woman/woman intimate partnerships can be very violent - and account for a percentage of those murders.
Now, can we just admit that Women committ Domestic Violence and start changing this ridiculous stance that they don't. Things will improve once the lies stop.
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Rights 02/05/2012 7:23:00 AM
Washington Domestic Violence Commission is a Washington Non-profit working to stop abusive Domestic Violence practices. IF you are a false victim of DV, they are your friend.
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Rights 02/05/2012 7:19:00 AM
Spoken like a true profession profiting from the misery of others.
There is no doubt that women need assistance with DV. But you fail to accept the fact that there are men that need the same assistance. And, you ignorre the fact that many cases are false allegation, to game the system for custody of children, and the paycheck that comes with it.
The Department of Justice states on their Domestic Violence web site that keeping a child from a parent is Domestic Violence. Are you a perpetrator of Domestic Violence, by ignoring those that do just that - game the systemt to keep a loving man or woman from their children.
Shame on you Ms. Counselor - I suspect you are more of a problem than a solution.
Will the boys of tomorrow have to endure the pain of losing a child to pay for the gender bias that occurred generations ago? Time to get some Counseling to learn to let go. Say is softy - l e t i t g o !
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Pokee 02/05/2012 7:01:00 AM
Due to cultural norms that require men to present a strong façade and that minimize female-perpetrated abuse (Mooney, 2000; Straus et al, 1997; Sorenson & Taylor, 2005), men are less likely to verbalize fear of any kind. (Dutton & Nicholls, 2005; Hines et al, in press)
(Dutton, D., & Nicholls, T. (2005). A critical review of the gender paradigm in domestic violence research and theory: Part I – Theory and data. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 10, 680-714.
Hines, D., Brown, J., & Dunning, E. (in press) Characteristics of callers to the domestic abuse helpline for men. Journal of Family Violence.
Mooney, J. (2000). Gender, violence, and the social order. New York: St. Martin’s Press.
Sorenson, S., & Taylor, C. (2005). Female aggression toward male intimate partners: An examination of social norms in a community-based sample. Psychology of Women Quarterly, 29, 78-96.
Straus, M., Kaufman-Kantor, G., & Moore, D. (1997). Change in cultural norms approving marital violence: From 1968 to 1994. In G. Kaufman-Kantor & J. Jasinski (Eds.), Out of the darkness: Contemporary perspectives on family violence. Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage.)
Individuals who are controlling of their partners are much more likely to also be physically assaultive, and this holds equally for both male and female perpetrators.
(Felson, R., & Outlaw, M. (2007). The control motive and marital violence. Violence and Victims, 22 (4), 387-407.
Graham-Kevan, N. (2007). Men’s and women’s use of intimate partner violence: Implications
for treatment programs. Presented July 9, 2007 at the International Family Violence and Child Victimization Research Conference, Portsmouth, New Hampshire.)
Societal norms support female-perpetrated abuse in the home. (Straus et al., 1997; Straus, 1999)
(Straus, M. (1999). The controversy over domestic violence by women. In X. Arriaga & S. Oskamp (Eds.), Violence in intimate relationships (pp. 17-44).)
Structural power does not necessarily translate to individual power.
(Felson, R. (2002). Violence & gender reexamined. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.)
Surveys find that men and women assault one another and strike the first blow at approximately equal rates.
(Archer, J. (2000). Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, 126 (5), 651-680.
Dutton, D., Kwong, M., & Bartholomew, K. (1999). Gender differences in patterns of relationship violence in Alberta. Canadian Journal of Behavioural Science, 31, 150-160
Morse, B. (1995). Beyond the Conflict Tactics Scale: Assessing gender differences in partner violence. Violence and Victims, 10 (4), 251-269.
Straus, M. (1993). Physical assaults by wives: A major social problem. In R. Gelles & D. Loseky (Eds.), Current controversies on family violence (pp. 67-87). Newbury Park, CA: Sage.)
Men and women engage in overall comparable levels of abuse and control, such as diminishing the partner’s self-esteem, isolation and jealousy, using children and economic abuse; however, men engage in higher levels of sexual coercion and can more easily intimidate physically.
(Coker, A, Davis, K., Arias, I., Desai, S., Sanderson, M., Brandt, H., & Smith, P. (2002). Physical and mental health effects of intimate partner violence for men and women. American Journal of Preventative Medicine, 23 (4), 260-268.
Hammock, G., & O’Hearn, R. (2002). Psychological aggression in dating relationships: Predictive models for male and females. Violence and Victims, 17, 525-540.)
Source: Domestic Violence Resource Center
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A Patient Man 02/05/2012 6:59:00 AM
Counselor, I am confused what authority do you think you have to make statement about reuniting families? Last time I reviewed WAC 388-60 I did not see any mention of Children, or is this simply something you think you know about or are qualified to make recomendations about? Sounds like a Wellsprings person here, how did it work out for Michael LaRosa were you able to hold him accountable (or the demons in fur pelts he saw flying around the room)? seriously. Gary Ruffcorn, Damon Orbsy, Howie Zimmerman did not benefit from the DVPT snake oil.
You work to eliminate gender bias in the community? WHAT?? do you have a DVPT for women where you work? and please excuse the "victim defendant" bogus classes. You and I know there are ZERO Domestic Violence Perpetrator Treatment programs for women in King County. Is Jennifer Kolone in DV Perp Treatment? or has Judge Clark labled her a Victim already.
Safety at home is every persons right, and that includes men who are removed by a false Civil DVPO and then further abused by profiteer's like DVPT, PP evaluators, GAL's, FCS assessments.
Should fathers expect their children go missing like Sky Metalwala???
Human rights issue, you really need to read and internalize what you write because denial of rights based on gender is the problem not the solution. Women are far more likely to initiate the violence, every study documents this dating back to the 1970's wake up and stop the denial, abusive behavior knows no gender.
Please do everyone who is working (without pay) and trying to be a parent a favor and turn you resignation in on Monday and go to work at McDonalds.
what work do you do to eliminate gender bias? go to work and hold men who should have never been admitted into your highly profitable DVPT accountable for being male? does not count sorry.
I have to go brush my teeth after reading your post as I have threw up in my mouth a little.
Chris Hupy
Washington Domestic Violence Commission
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counselor 02/05/2012 3:13:00 AM
Dear Editor,
I am writing in response to your article “Ripped Apart”, which states
your opinion that gender bias exists against men in the King County
Family Court in domestic violence cases.
Websters defines gender bias as Unfair difference in the treatment of
men or women because of their sex. Certainly we all have a
responsibility to eliminate gender bias-- not only in the Washington
Family Court system but in our world. We have a lot of work to do.
Nina Shapiro, the author of your article, has been the victim of a
“male gender bias” world from the day she was born. Compared to her
male counterparts, her income is 25% less and she has only a 5% chance
of occupying a role in senior management in a Fortune 1000 company.
She is viewed less socially competent than a man. She lives in a
country where the great majority do not believe a female can be an
effective president. And she lives in a world where 90% of all rape
victims are women. Women have been fighting against male privilege
and a gender biased world since the beginning of time. Nina, let’s
not forget, you did not even have the right to vote until 1920.
Your article claims that Jim’s wife was unfairly issued a “ gender
biased” temporary order of protection, requiring him to vacate his
home and refrain from contacting his wife and three year old son.
Let’s take a look at the statistics on domestic violence that
influenced our Family Court’s decision:
More than 3 women a day are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends
(Family Violence Prevention Fund).
Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury and death to women
worldwide and gender violence causes more death and disability among
women ages 15--44 than cancer, malaria, traffic accidents or war.
(Kroeger and Nason-Clark, 2001).
One in three women around the globe is physically or sexually abused
in her lifetime (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2003).
Every 9 seconds a woman is beaten in the U.S.A.
Based on this data and the Court’s evaluation of this case, the odds
are they made the right call in issuing Jim’s wife the temporary
protection order-- 86% of women who receive them state the abuse
stopped or was greatly reduced because of the order.
As a certified domestic violence counselor, I have worked with both
victims and perpetrators of domestic violence. With treatment and
accountability, perpetrators can eliminate their abusive behaviors.
With protection, community support and counseling, victims and their
children can heal. In some cases, families may be reunited. While we
work to eliminate gender bias in our community, let us remember that
domestic violence is a human rights issue. If safety in the home is
to be our basic right, then we must come together to close the gap
that exists to permit such a crime.
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Mykidsdad 02/04/2012 10:48:00 PM
Thanks Nina Shipiro and Seattle Weekly for shining a light on this systemic problem. Hopefully this will serve as a wake up call to the good people in the system to do something to bring equality to family court. Everyone involved sees it. Everyone knows it's there. Hopefully this atricle will help the unbiased lawyers, mediators, GAL's, etc. take a stand against the extreme gender bias when they see it. Please stop turning a blind eye to the problem. I think most people want a court that is unbiased and fair where the truth matters.
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02/04/2012 7:13:00 AM
Fathers are often seen just as an ATM by mothers. It pays to be a mom. If 2 people were married and have a kid, and divorce, it should be automatic joint custody. That would prevent about 90% of custody battles.Both parents should be forced to go in front of a mediator.The parent who refuses to negotiate and co-parent is the one that gets awarded non custodial parent..but with still possible joint custody. The only way a woman would have any chance at sole custody would be she is able to prove child abuse against their kid, or the father commits a crime against another child or father is in prison. Child support should be based on both parents incomes and what they are capable of earning. Women often use restraining orders and domestic violence claims as a route to secure custody. Again unless violence or threats can be proven...this should not be happening. A father should still sees kids at least under supervised visits until judge throws out the RO. Paternity fraud should be a crime. Any time a woman allows a man to sign a birth cert she needs to acknowledge under oath that there are no other possible fathers.If she is married she needs to promise that her husband is the bio father and there are no other possible fathers. In any case where the mother is not sure and she thinks the father signing is the father, both parties agree that this father is recognizing paternity, whether he is the bio father or not.
It is up to a judge to stop all the mudslinging nonsense that goes on in family court and tell the parents they need to put their big boy and big girl undies on and grow up for the sake of their kids. Also out of state relocations should not be allowed unless permission by the other parent. Too many moms decide they want to uproot their kids and move out of state all because their marriage broke up. But where does that leave Dad? Seeing kids a couple times A year?The parent that want to up and move out of state, agrees to leave kid behind.
Slimy pit bull attorneys are responsible for some of this mess. They help convince a mom that possible abuse might be there...and then go for the jugular. Men get desperate and they sometimes do horrible things to kids and its these selfish acts that are usually the result of custody battle. I get so sick of hearing the word "custody battle". The kids lose here. Joint legal custody with giving both sides rights to the kids is the only way to stop the madness. Stop the fight before it begins,
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AgainstCrooks 02/04/2012 1:28:00 AM
I find this situation goes both ways (fathers and mothers). Facts are twisted, and admissible. Guardian Ad Litem are able to go outside of court order, commit fraud and are protected. I wish people in the court system would quit playing games all around because families are getting destroyed. For all of you fathers and mothers out there that are being treated like a criminal unjustly and have had to go through the games I have in trying to achieve what is fair, I am sorry. For anyone who has been the aggressor in these games...shame on you, you are ruining it for people who actually deserve protection!
I ask all of you out there to ask for what is fair for both parties...not male, not female but fair. There are cases of domestic violence that are thrown out of court because of jerks using the system for their own control.
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Krigsman.Inc 02/03/2012 7:43:00 AM
Guys, spare yourselves a life of misory. Do not get married. Do not cohabitate. Do not procreate. Don't give the system what it needs to survive... You. Step back, drop out and let them and their beloved anti-male Family Courts, Divorce Courts and Domestic Violence Industry die a miserable death.
Krigsman.Inc
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Timmothy1 02/02/2012 5:20:00 AM
It is a known fact that those who file false claims of protection orders have a leg up in a custody battle. I didn't get to see my son for 30 days who I took care of every day as a result of this. Which I fought for over a year. Had I not had a good job to afford the fight I would have never prevailed. Things need to change and even though it is over for me, it is my calling to fight for equity for all children from here on out. The time has come that we all unite. Real victims and those falsely accused which takes away from the REAL victims must stand together and fight until our children can be safe from a system that our state has developed . Signed a Father who's best friend (son) was a victim of King County
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Timmothy1 02/02/2012 5:12:00 AM
I saw Commissioner Sassaman rule against every father in the court room during my days before her. The system designed to protect our children is failing them and the REAL individuals that are victims of domestic violence.
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HP 02/02/2012 5:09:00 AM
I’m asking you to join me in Olympia this Thursday morning at 10:00. Below is a link to the capital map and details on time, location, etc.
I know we are all busy and I also know that this topic doesn’t apply to some of you, but this legislation is important to me and all families in this state - it is important to anyone who has children, grandchildren, nephews, nieces, brothers, a father – in short any friend who is male. There is always that chance that someone you know will be falsely accused of DV and end up caught in WA DV/family law trap.
Senate Bill 6511 is a small step in the process of correcting the out of control DV industry and the family law mess in this state. Attached is a copy of the bill – not exactly titillating reading, but it’s not too long. The short version is this: this bill makes a modification to current state law. The bill will require that hearings for DV protection orders will actually require the judge/commissioner (right now the bill only states “judges” which may be a flaw already – we are looking at that) to follow rules of evidence. Sounds like a no-brainer, but currently the family law judges and commissioners don’t have to follow any rules of evidence and there really is no evidence required – just whatever the petitioner says and whatever the judge wants to believe. So currently hearsay reigns supreme in DVPO hearings. This bill should help correct some of that.
The next legislative step will be to require a reasonable standard of evidence. There are three standards currently. The one we are most familiar with thanks to “Law and Order” is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Seems to make sense. Problem is BRD is the highest standard and DVPO hearings require none at all and even after this legislation passes the standard will likely be the lowest which is “preponderance”. “preponderance” basically – in practical terms in family law, means whatever the judge wants to believe. But at least there will be some standard required and that’s better than none. Right now judges/commissioners can’t be held accountable in the court of appeals for making rulings that don’t comport with the evidence because there are no rules of evidence and the appeals court chocks it up to “judicial discretion”.
A DVPO for a petition (and her attorney) is the holy grail in a custody battle and there’s a long story behind that – I won’t bore you. Not only does mom get sole custody of the kids, but she gets possession of the assets and dad can’t come anywhere near. Often men who don’t have kids think nothing of having a DVPO against them. The issue is that a violation of a DVPO is a crime – a criminal offense. It only takes a civil hearing with no evidence required to have one issued against you, but if you violate one you go to jail and you have a criminal record. If you think violating a DVPO requires committing a crime you are mistaken. Almost always a DVPO states “no contact”. I know men who are perfectly law abiding professionals who run their own companies and have never been convicted of any crime who now have criminal records and can only see their children under professional supervision for returning a text message. I know of a Microsoft manager who was arrested in Bellevue when his soon to be ex drove to the Starbucks he stops at each morning, got there before he did then called the police 5 minutes before he was to arrive. They arrested him for stalking her. One father I know who couldn’t afford an attorney had a PO against him while he lived in Hawaii. His ex moved the kids to WA against the Hawaii parenting plan so he filed suit in WA to stop the relocation (she had already moved the kids). Civil law procedure in WA requires that you serve notice on the opposing party (except for ex parte protection order hearings!) – can’t have a legal hearing if the other side doesn’t know about it, right? Wrong. He was jailed for violating the DVPO because he represented himself and had her served with a notice of the hearing which the judge decided constituted “contact”. I digress. The DVPO and family law system is WA is a mess and this bill is a small step toward sanity. Please lend your voice to help stop the craziness.
Here’s some detail of the hearing: Your bill, Senate Bill 6511, concerning court procedures for review of petitions for protection orders, has been scheduled for a public hearing at 10:00 am on Thursday, February 2 before the Senate Human Services and Corrections Committee. The hearing will take place in Senate Hearing Room 1 of the John A. Cherberg Building on the Capitol Campus in Olympia.
Here is a link to a map of the capitol campus. The Cherberg building is in the
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Timothy1 02/02/2012 5:08:00 AM
Chris
I just settled at mediation today. You hit the nail on the head here. For the post above, she sounds like a true victim. I have been a victim of false accusations and I fought and fought and today I got some bitter sweet justice thanks to a good mediator. I went before commissioner Meg Sasssaman twice and her gender biased rulings completely changed my view of a fair and partial justice system. I was ashamed to be an American
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HP 02/02/2012 5:03:00 AM
Dear Senators Stevens and Hargrove:
I am writing to encourage you to continue of seek the passage of the amendments to RCW 26.50.050 and and 10.14 to allow for testimony in court before one can be deprived of one's children.
I have been a Washington attorney for over 36 years and deal in the Domestic Violence area almost daily in King County and at times, Snohomish and Pierce counties.
It is my experience that numerous men and their children are deprived of their parenting rights as a result of their inability to dispute lying allegations made by their spouses against them.
What began as an honorable attempt to protect women and children, primarily, from violent men, the existing statutes have come to be used as a technique for gaining incredible advantages in divorce situations.
When a female comes to me wanting a divorce and the house and the children, I advise her that it will be a difficult chore if her husband opposes her request. However, I don't have to tell her that all she has to do is allege that her husband threatened her and she is in fear that he might harm her and the children, and without even having to be subjected to any examination as to the truth or falsity of her claims, she will get the children and the house, at least temporarily, and probably permanently. This strategy is now common knowledge in King County, at least.
The horror stories I could tell you about how this law has been abused would shock you. And finally we have the probable death of a little boy (Sky Metalwala) that can be placed squarely at the feet of this current system of injustice.
The hearings will take more time and conceivably cost more at first, but the liars will be less inclined to file false declarations and there will be a huge eventual savings in terms of:
1. jail expenses: 2. police expenses; 3. unnecessary counseling; 4. court time; 5. additional social costs of having children go through this process and lose a father (or in rare instances, a mother) to this unjust system. The children will have a harder time in school and probably end up with very unproductive lives in many situations. 6. respect for the law as it will not only appear to be more just, but will in fact be more just.
So, I strongly urge you to continue pursuing this amendment. It is just and it will save the State a lot of money in the long run.
Please note that I will make a lot less money if the amendment passes, but your job and my job as a citizen first is to support fairness, families and reduce the costs of government. This is a can't lose amendment.
Thank you for bringing it to a hearing.