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10/11/2011 9:19:00 PM
seattle sucks
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Bart Klaver 10/03/2011 12:59:00 AM
Your gonna be rich dude, youre allready tickling the Netherlands with your music. Keep it flowing.
I'm thinking about buying my first cd, from you!
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Graybird206 08/28/2011 8:50:00 PM
The ironic thing about this article is that I went back and read old reviews of Macklemore by Grandy and he is all pro-mack quoting his lyrics even.... then Macklemore becomes famous and he writes this hate piece really grounded firmly in the clouds. This is a perfect example of how the music writer stays in business. Shock value. Quick surge of attention, but not lasting at all. Insincerity at it's best... Grandy displays this perfectly. Macklemore is still on the rise and Grandy has fallen off. The way it works.
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Travis Phelps 07/01/2011 6:45:00 PM
I love Mack and this sh!t he is the best Seattle rapper ever, and the best rapper ever with a good message.
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Joseph Weindl 05/19/2011 7:20:00 AM
Is this normal for music critics? That's a sincere question. This is the first-ever musical critique I've ever read, and the last. Thanks for souring me on the experience.
This article tells me more about you than the bands -- you possess the powerful gift of prose, but a strong musician, you are not. By over-intellectualizing the art, you completely kill the intent. Music ain't about nerdy, wordy deconstructions.
I'm sorry you've lost the ability to simply enjoy the feeling of a wonderful musical performance. Sometimes, unabashed enthusiasm is everything you need.
P.S. I do not know ONE SINGLE PERSON who has ever taken the word of a music critic to help decide which music to give a listen. How do you guys have jobs?
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Aaron Samuels 03/23/2011 5:48:00 PM
At the risk of dissing my "fellow" Seattle artists, I have to say: The Head and The Heart appeal to neither. It's like a nod to a nod. I mean, I'll listen to Gillian Welch because she writes timeless music--she writes songs. When she's alluding to some romantic idea of archaic American poverty, there's melody, and harmony, and structure...MUSICIANSHIP. THATH is empty genre glomming. Blah. There ARE bands here (the Warren G. Hardings, for example), that are doing it RIGHT. And Macklemore? I mean, if he's spreading some important messages to people who would otherwise just be joining in his cheer leading, I suppose that's a good thing. I'm just sick of the novelty acts and the fad bands dominating the airwaves and so-called "indie" scene. Sub Pop: there was a time back in the 90's when you took a risk on a band which ended up putting you on the map...perhaps money and fame breeds safety and banality. Maybe it's time for another risk?
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03/22/2011 3:39:00 PM
Macklemore's journey has just begun. It's premature to file a write-off. In the meantime, there are too many auditors out here.
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KYLE 03/11/2011 12:40:00 AM
New "research" for Mr.Grandy ---> http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2011/03/05/the-head-and-the-heart-lost-in-my-mind-video/
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Lacey 03/10/2011 3:36:00 AM
I agree with Abby. He's teaching the future of our country from his mistakes.
We seriously do not need more drug addicts and/or alcoholics in this world (yes i understand it's a disease, I'm not trying to diss) but a lot of things our music and culture teach us is just that: drugs and alcohol are okay, cool, and normal.
He's telling the youth the truth - that these things are actually really harmful and won't get you anywhere in life despite what rappers like Lil Wayne tell you.
And hopefully they get this message and listen.
And I don't get how sober music isn't relevant when music that constantly talks about drugs, drinking, and sex is.
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Eric Grandy 03/10/2011 1:06:00 AM
oh, come on. silverchair is just a good punchline. of course they're not the last australian band on my radar. i was eagerly anticipating cut copy's latest album, but it's kind of disappointing. tame impala don't really do it for me. architecture in helsinki's new single is weird and autotuney and bordering on owl city territory, but i'm eager to hear the whole album. i could go on...
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Cocktailhr 03/09/2011 9:32:00 PM
respect and emulation aren't the same thing, and if silverchair is the last australian band on your radar (1995?!?!) it sounds like you're overdue for a rock critic refresher course.
i've lived part-time in australia and spent a ton of time in london, barcelona, nyc, sf, l.a., etc. and when anyone's heard "seattle" there's an immediate bond, whether they're into rock, electronica, power-pop, psych, pop, whatever. i actually stopped telling people i was from portland when i lived there ("um, where?") and reverted to seattle because, for whatever reason, seattle enjoys a virtually unassailable credibility and worldwide respect.
as for this:
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lover 03/08/2011 8:04:00 PM
great job wasting everyones time with your opinion , macklemore is progression, we get it, we don't like you or any critics, do you get it? fuck critics! no one needs you to tell anyone what music to enjoy, do you get it???
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03/08/2011 7:40:00 AM
From the Stranger to the Weekly, I think Grandy has historically been hit or miss, but one thing about him I will say..he's ballsy. Many times at the risk of getting the shit kicked out of him verbally. That takes bravado. That takes Ebert like balls a la when he gave "Ace Ventura" an initially horrible review and 1 star and half of America almost murdered him verbally. What I gathered here, is that Grandy is basically poo-pooing our current popular scene at it's rise to apex, amidst a ton of supporters who are pissed as hell at this article and its timing. Ironically, it's a lot of these people that support THATH and Macklemore that are saying some of the meanest, most cynical, and contradictory things to their supposed wide eyed embrace of what they wholeheartedly believe is great, "positive," and talented music. Here's a quote I enjoyed from an aforementioned fan: "Embracing the clearly-defined emotions of Mack or THATH requires a vulnerability that a lot of people can't get to bc they themselves are shoulder-chipped cynics who have a tough time fully embracing any heartfelt emotion without some pang of self-conscious irony."...Ouch. So after reading something he doesn't like, this reader thinks Grandy is basically a soulless cynic. I'd argue almost the opposite with Grandy's sheer bravado in publishing something this controversial and knowingly unpopular. Or how about this little gem: "Eric Grandy is a bitter sub-par writer jealous that he has nothing to look forward to as he bathes in pathetic misery writing for the weekly for the rest of his life... unless of course they fire him from this publication as well. Nice try... but again you fail at life. " Wow...mature and majestic. I can see the mountains and taste the Mark Twain flannel in this response. Over 5 "likes" for each of the aforementioned quotes and they just keep on coming. I find the cynicism among these supporters of "upbeat" Seattle music (and again, they are the majority right now) a bit conflicting with their abilities rooted in "fully embracing heartfelt emotion without some pang of self-conscious irony." At least Grandy had the balls as a critic to stand up and say what he believed. Isn't that the entire purpose of being a critic? And no, critics are not always defined to having to give a technical, note by note review of the prose and meaning of all things as such, while having a mental and verbal chess game in front of their readers eyes which results "always and only" in a "fair and balanced" critique. No, critics are critics because they can simply say, once in a while..."I don't think this is cool. Here's why." Conversely, I don't agree with Grandy on many, many points here, including his watery thesis, and his biggest downfall is the self made black-hole of sorts he creates early in the article which reads: "Which raises the question: Is this a good look for Seattle?" The inherent problem is that he's asking a "self-conscious question" about an article criticizing, what I gather, is an attempt at calling out the overt, almost phony nature of Seattle's current white, post college educated, Belltown transplant 20 somethings writing Peter, Paul and Mary-esque acoustic prose about living in the wilderness, or simple poverty...or simplicity in general...(when their very lives define excess to any non college educated hard working stiffs or say your run of the mill mountain codger). You can't make a statement such as this, while at the same time questioning "coolness". It instantly destroys your own credibility and coolness as a writer trying to call something out you just don't like! The overt passive aggressive vibe of many of the individuals supporting this scene, who definitely appear apt to defile and destroy Grandy at any slight questioning of their movement, is also a contradiction.. If anything, Grandy should have written about the rather 2 faced, competitive, snarky, and opportunistic BS that goes on behind so many closed doors in the Seattle music scene. It's existed since the pop and hardcore obsessed early 2000s (plenty of crap bands rose to semi local stardom then as well) and has simply taken a new turn and interest in the current trend. The major difference I would cite is that THATH is a truly talented group of young individuals technically. NO, they are not nearly as prolific as Fleet Foxes or as magnetizing as The Moondoggies (2 bands I would say on many levels deserve every ounce of the attention given to them), but they sure can write some acoustic, polyphonic pop with the best of them. Record labels are struggling, and it's no wonder Sub Pop jumped to sign them. Macklemore? Yeah, well I guess if you can secretly rock Dave Matthews or Coldplay in you BMW on the way to The Crocodile, you can like Macklemore. I'll always think local bands like Dyme Def rock infinitely more spine tingling grooves than Mack though. He's definitely got his heart on his sleeve, but it's a little too out there, bordering on early 1990s after school specials, and concerts in the park with Tim Noah.
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brian 03/07/2011 10:56:00 PM
Macklemore fans are really sensitive. I guess that's what all that emo rap will do to you.
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Abby Kinder 03/07/2011 9:11:00 AM
Macklemore is playing sold-out shows all around this nation to the people who will be running this country in 10 years.
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Abby Kinder 03/07/2011 9:09:00 AM
1. There are so many things I could say to counter-argue this. 2. What are you even trying to critique him on? Being too serious? Really?
This man, Ben Haggerty, has inspired a generation here in Seattle. He's brought people out of ditches, he's lifted people up, healed people, through his music. Now, you, an run-of-the-mill writer fired from the Stranger, do not understand the purpose of writing and performing your own music so let me lay it out for you: It is to inspire people and bring hope and joy to the lives of others.
If Ben through in a joke in the middle of "Otherside" so that Eric Grandy could not feel so somber I don't think my 15 year old brother would have stopped using and selling drugs.
Also, he's fuckin' hilarious. Lighten up, asshole.
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Nikoo 03/07/2011 9:00:00 AM
This is Bullshit. Macklemore is amaizng
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Troy 03/06/2011 8:14:00 PM
Macklemore makes good music and I respect his craft, but I would never bump his tunes in my car, know what I mean?
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Eric Grandy 03/06/2011 4:54:00 PM
"i'm just pointing out that the sincerity, quality and outside respect equation here (and its negative outcome) doesn't really make sense to me.
Citing how that equation has worked out for previous Seattle exports doesn't mean it will work that way for current ones like Mack or THATH. And if the result of Australia revering Seattle is Silverchair, I say let them revere somewhere else.
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03/06/2011 1:27:00 AM
Hardly a 'bash'. This isn't a hate piece...I felt like he's just calling out two artists who need to step it up, refine the process, keep it honest. If Mack wants to play sold-out shows in Seattle to the underage crowd for the rest of his career, fine.
But, if he hopes to have sustain, to let us enjoy his art on a broader scale, he needs to move past the ultra-posi nostalgic now I'm sober I can...do whatever vibe, and make some relevant music.
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Cocktailhr 03/06/2011 12:52:00 AM
there's an inherent irony in dropping a comparison between "portlandia" and "$5 cover" into an article concerned about seattle being overly sincere. "portlandia" is hilarious precisely because portland takes itself so god-damned seriously - something that drove me batshit crazy when i spent a couple of years in exile there. (while writing about music, btw.) "portlandia" is essentially two relative outsiders playfully making fun of the city. i've tried doing the same thing to seattle in my own mind and it doesn't work. there might be pockets of excruciating stereotypes here, but it's not a city-wide epidemic and seattle's "aw-shucks" vibe doesn't make for hilarity. it makes you want to give it a hug. is that the problem? should this be a hug-free zone? ;)
i moved to seattle after spending a soul-sucking nine years living in los angeles. i love the sincerely down-to-earth vibe of this city, and i'm pretty sure that most people outside of seattle who think of our music already think "sincere." nirvana, pearl jam, soundgarden - not exactly party music, y'know? if death cab, dave bazan and damien jurado didn't make the world think poorly of seattle as a bastion of over-sincerity, i think we're safe being represented by macklemore and THATH. maybe we just all need more vitamin d...
my friend just spent three weeks in paris and every time she said "seattle," she was met with a grin and someone miming a power chord. i recently spent a couple years living part-time in australia and seattle is still loved and revered there - because we have a vibrant creative music community that continually evolves, mutates, and perhaps most importantly, is supportive in a way few other cities are. i'm not saying that anyone's above criticism - i'm just pointing out that the sincerity, quality and outside respect equation here (and its negative outcome) doesn't really make sense to me.
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Mayormcginn 03/05/2011 11:40:00 PM
Wow. Wasn't sure... but now I am. You really are an asshole.
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Sam Sadow 03/05/2011 11:13:00 PM
RE: The section of this article about Macklemore: It's an opinion piece. I wish more music reviews in Seattle Weekly were about music and not the reviewers. Having read this article, I do not know more about the bands discussed. I only know the reviewer's opinion. The writer has composed a piece of criticism based almost entirely on one song and one unfinished music video. He attempts to discern something as intangible and changing as motivation without having interviewed the musician. I sincerely hope to read more music criticism and less opinion in the Seattle Weekly in the future.
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Bridget Barni 03/05/2011 10:28:00 PM
Just another Macklemore fan with some adjectives to describe his work with Ryan Lewis: beat-driven, passionate, lyrical, real, danceable, strong, funny, sexy, powerful, tough, honest, connective. And here's a verb: ignite. This is what I think and feel, and what I see happening throughout the audience at a Macklemore show.
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Redhot 03/05/2011 9:45:00 PM
It's clear that you don't get the bigger picture. His fans and supporters are talking about the purpose and intention behind this article. They question what he is doing for anything in the world period. It's transparent. His character is questionable because he wrote a quippy attention whore article about performances he hasn't even seen. Perhaps his other work is substantial but this article is not. And I am not invested in either bands or Grandy. What's interesting is that he has not attended the Macklemore showbox shows.... And the exact reasons he criticizes Macklemore and HATH for "aesthetic tics" is why he wrote this article. The LOOK AT ME I am a cynical critic crap is just LAID ON TOOO THICK. He is trying to pimp out his name to gain some sort of attention without writing about something from the source. This is a dis service to Seattle, the arts community, and humanity. Good critiques are not. If you are going to critique, do it well.
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Hutch 03/05/2011 8:29:00 PM
Keep on fighting the good fight, Grandy. I can't really speak to Macklemore, but you're dead on about Head and the Heart. They're all genuinely nice people and I say more power to them that they've caught lightning in a bottle in the last year. But it all really comes off as contrived and soulless. I don't think sincerity really covers it - the music strives to be emotionally cathartic and wears its heart on its sleeve, but there doesn't seem to be much genuine feeling or original thought behind it. No amount of harmony will cover up a bunch of tired, meaningless platitudes.
An article like this is sure to provoke the fanboys, but that's the nature of art criticism. I don't read music blogs to see people patting each other on the back and embracing mediocrity.
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Lacey 03/05/2011 4:46:00 PM
There's a fine line between being a critic about someone and their work, and just totally hating someone to the point where you put all of that hate into a crappy article where you bash someone who has been successful.
You've crossed that line so far that you can no longer see it.
What an ass.
Support Mack!
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Womp3Womp 03/05/2011 9:17:00 AM
LOL
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Beccaks 03/05/2011 6:54:00 AM
Could you repeat yourself? I don't understand.
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Marissa 03/05/2011 2:38:00 AM
"Mack would be lucky to define a zip code." ?!
Dude, what are you on?!
Macklemore > LCD Soundsystem
all day everyday.
And this article is purely your opinion. It just so happens that your opinion sucks balls.
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Marissa 03/05/2011 2:29:00 AM
Wow this article is a load of bull and proves why The Seattle Times is a better newspaper.
Shouldn't you be SUPPORTING the music of your city instead of dissing it, especially when Macklemore has been on a steady rise all over the country as well as other countries all over the globe. This article doesn't make Seattle look good to people who live in other cities, because it makes it look like you just put down the successful (hello 3 sold-out showbox shows) people from your city.
And have you noticed how many people tweet and write on his facebook page saying how his raps really touched and helped them?
He raps about his life and his experiences and how he overcame them so maybe other people will listen, instead of listening to the "mainstream" rappers who just rap about doing drugs and getting laid.
In "My Oh My" he talks about the effect Dave Niehaus had and talks about how he will be missed (which you would say after the person has passed away - if you say it while they are alive it sounds like you are just waiting for them to die), and clearly the Mariners liked the song because they are trying to get him to perform it.
Maybe you should try to do some damage control now, because obviously I am not the only person you guys pissed off with this bs article...
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lover 03/05/2011 12:17:00 AM
everyone knows critics are assholes and failed musicians or too scared to do music, however, it seems like you have a problem taking criticism eric, hahaha. dont worry your scenester friends will buy you a pabst for saying what only a heartless cynic could say. you can criticize but dont punch ben in the ballls mofo. your a sesame street reporter with this scene bullshit.
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lover 03/04/2011 9:03:00 PM
I totally agree that a white rapper shouldn't try and save hip hop (black culture). I highly doubt Macklemore is trying to save hip hop though. The song is about shoes that he's personally obsessed with. The whole hip hop equals shoes equals black culture arguement is too weak. Can you give an example of an entire song that is aimed at saving hip hop? I appreciate it cause you do have a valid point.
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Mario Rubalcaba 03/04/2011 6:32:00 PM
It's baffling to me, strictly on an occupational/disciplinary level how many people JUST....DON'T....GET IT
Music writers write about music, it IS what they do.
This IS THEIR 'doing'.... their writing IS their job
Just by there very mere fact that people are reading and responding, yet failing to understand that nowhere in any music writer's job description, ever, at any time, does it state that the music writer has ever been expected to forged a career playing music...illustrates precisely how many people just...don't...get...it
That's literally like expecting a sports writer to play for the Mariners
So before posting more 'critics who can't do' nonsense, please try to ram through your unripened mind-grapes the idea that perhaps you are looking for the wrong kind of 'do'
That will be all
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03/04/2011 6:05:00 PM
B o r i n g...
Q: What's worse than musicians who tend to write music with a positive message and show they're evolving beyond their angst and hard times?
A: Overly cynical critics who question the sincerity of said musicians.
This is such a cliche article Seattle Weekly. It's always easier to set up a piece that questions the sincerity of popular artists who create with an upbeat bent than to figure out how to get a response from people without being negative and controversial. That takes talent.
I question the sincerity of your cynicism.
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brandon 03/04/2011 6:02:00 PM
wow talk about pretentious. Critcs; those who can't do, sit back and self righously judge someone else who is actuall creating something. Try writing something about your own take on things without using someone else's hard work as your pedestal to preach on about well nothing. Which would you rather have seattle associacted with a bunch of cheesers who take themselves WAY too seriously or a young rapper trying to send a positive message to the listener? note to self: dont read anymore garbage from Eric Grandy.
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Grif 03/04/2011 5:49:00 PM
As a big Macklemore fan and someone a little "caught up in the hype" of his fast moving success (meaning I started only bumping him and constantly telling people I knew or just met about him which looking back must have been annoying) I can see a thread of the truth in this article but every single artist has flaws and that doesn't mean Mack isn't the absolute shit cuz he is and I still love him but I don't like when any rapper gets TOO preachy but the truth is there is a lot of f*ed up shit in the world and sometimes artists cant just rap about bitches and bling and having fun 24/7..but, .i mean look at the opiate crisis in this country w/ scripts like oxy getting so huge and what not, i mean why do you think "otherside" has taken off so big? Its not the sampling or the delivery- its the lyrical content and the message. A REAL message is a breath of fresh air. Macklemore is one of the only artists talking about real shit with any style and flow combined and people are flocking to hear it, maybe that shoulda been included somewhere in your article.
PS. Just as an aside your writing style kind of makes you sound like a high and mighty pretentious sarcastic asshole- dont know if you were goin for that or not, just sayin..
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Mario Rubalcaba 03/04/2011 5:46:00 PM
Frankie, you're going to have to speak up, I can't hear you over the grinding of bewildered characterization and road noise whilst driving to the panty hose store.
The character you've created has some discontinuity however...if I could A&R this guy a touch, he'd be more of a Brouwers/Portalis type, preferring a Piraat or Maredsous Tripel or a spicy, inky Walla Walla Cab, Petit Verdot, Syrah blend w/ nice structure and healthy tannins.
Just sayin'
Plausible scenario number two:
Eric Grandy: Umm, hey man, why do you keep fetishizing me sexually? Why does it keep going there...on your end?
Frankiegregory: I'm actually not sure. It's the first thing that comes to mind...again, it's low hanging fruit, I know. I mean, honestly, I don't even know why I would think this article is predictable. Who predicted it? Have my status updates warned of an impending citywide authenticity crisis? I'm not sure what I even mean anymore.
Eric Grandy: Actually, it's fine. 80% of weekly music blog commenting falls into the vein of 'this sucks, fuck you...next'...like, nationally. Chicago, Atlanta, SF, LA...it's not just Seattle, so it's totally fine.
Frankiegregory: But it's just...
Eric Grandy: Here...Here...it'll be just fine.
(tugs comforter up around Frankiegregory's shoulders...Frankiegregory smiles, comforted)
Frankiegregory: G'night Eric Grandy
Eric Grandy: Goodnight Frankiegregory
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Jacob 03/04/2011 8:03:00 AM
Who likes Seattle Weekly anyway? Go back to the eastside.
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EC2 03/04/2011 7:11:00 AM
Better than no music :)
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Tara 03/04/2011 5:58:00 AM
This is what I meant:
http://teaonthesea.blogspot.com/2011/03/on-community.html
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Tara 03/04/2011 5:56:00 AM
Mario,
Geezy creezy.
Why so serious?
Tara
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Frankiegregory 03/04/2011 5:52:00 AM
Oh wait is that grandys dick in your mouth? I love self righteous assholes like you who think they are so much better than everyone else... Because you are older, studied abroad, drink pbr at the redwood, and owe forty grand for your useless masters degree. Really the fact that you think his writing is praise worthy is so pathetic. His opinion uses weak racial analogy my high school English teacher would have been disappointed in. This article is predictable. And for the record Grandy errr I mean Mario I'm merely a commenter not making my profession out of any type of critique... So I'm not quite sure why you are mocking my expertise. Take your grown up strap on out of grandys ass.
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Tara 03/04/2011 5:45:00 AM
Yes, I realize now there are a few typos. Shame on me for being so hasty. See the edited (thoroughly, I hope) version here: http://bit.ly/hlggr3
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Mario Rubalcaba 03/04/2011 5:26:00 AM
Tara,
this is a joke, right? 'Supportive and Buoying Music Community'?
You clearly have never played music in Seattle and know nothing of it's true character.
Nothing whatsoever about a great, great many things
The Head and the Heart are soulful like John Mayer singing the blues with Jack Johnson
I implore you to cheerlead wholeheartedly! I urge you to fill the streets with resounding optimism and unwavering support as Seattle launches volley after volley of preemptively self-proclaimed next-big-things into the nebulous ether known as 'Making It'
Godspeed your journey Tara, for you are truly blessed
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Frankiegregory 03/04/2011 5:10:00 AM
A critic does change minds. A good music critic is doing something important for the scene. Something honest and grounded in fact. He or she knows how to write well versed informative pieces, rational responses to a music scene as opposed to emotional reactions. Grandy favors an emotional response here simply to elevate himself at a hum drum paper after being fired. His motivation lacks all authenticity. But hey poor guy did just get fired:( I might be 19 and way less smart than you but fuck man this is just bad writing. Bad critiquing.
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Mario Rubalcaba 03/04/2011 5:08:00 AM
Plausible scenario number One:
Eric Grandy: Well, umm actually, I jointly authored a submission on Transfer-Matrix Methodology as it relates to Compound Fiber Ring Resonator Theory published by the Journal of American Optometrical Logistics in 2001...so actually in several ways I have contributed to the overall betterment of your life through scientific discovery, even if in subtle, almost imperceptible ways.
Frankiegregory: I see. After thinking about this, I stand corrected and recognize you as qualified and proficiently competent to weigh in on popular music.
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Tara 03/04/2011 5:03:00 AM
Unfortunately for the author, he has not been included in the community that has been touched by both bands. There are so many Seattlites (myself included) who are beginning to feel a sense of pride for their city and community, thanks to these bands (and the people who support them, like the blog soundonthesound.com). I think Seattle has been missing a cohesive love, which has heretofore been replaced cynicism and disillusionment for anything good in the world.
There is always a hater in the crowd (being the author), but I would like to know if the author has been to a show of either band. I have been two MANY shows of THATH (beginning back in 2009 at the infamous Conor Byrne's open mic), and was smitten from day one. Something about their music (as I am less of a lyrics person) felt so real and soulful... and I still can't completely describe it. And from what I've heard of Macklemore, I can only imagine it's a similar sentiment.
Well, author (and people with similar sentiments): there is a lot more where that came from, as other Seattle bands are building each other up with this supportive and buoying music community. Other musicians feel welcomed to join in this music boom, where they acknowledge there is room for everyone. Does it make you sick because it just sounds too nice? Are you cringing at the thought of everyone getting along and of just enough competition to keep things healthy and fresh? If so, maybe you should reconsider what kind of community you'd like to nurture in the world.
But I'm glad the author wrote this; because it gives people a chance to speak out and be honest. And honestly, as someone who desires some kind of community (or national) pride in a politically polarized, and often just plain intolerant, climate, I will be the obnoxious cheerleader "WOO WOO WOO"ing my head off at as many local (read: affordable!) shows as possible, buying and wearing merch, looking forward to these bands "making it" and telling all my friends about how "filthy" my city is.
p.s. Dear Author: What bands are YOU listening to these days?
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Mario Rubalcaba 03/04/2011 4:32:00 AM
Frankiegregory,
I hate to bring this to your and everyone else's attention but to revile the critic (by very definition fulfilling the responsibility of their occupation) is the absolute pinnacle of neophyte, low hanging fruit knee-jerkery and should have been covered in blog commenting 101. Secondary to that, you may have been texting at the time, but there has existed a strict moratorium on the 'WTF have YOU done that's so great?' argument since July of 2002.
Strap on your grown-up gloves and accept the following:
A. Those artists don't 'give a fuck' about Grandy. Why would they? Eric is commenting on the marked lack of authentic voice...not stickin' it to 'the bigshots'
B. If you read it on the internet it must be true
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Frankiegregory 03/04/2011 3:23:00 AM
Selling out shows across the entire country I doubt Macklemore or his twenty five thousand fans, or HATH and their equally substantial fanbase give a fuck about Grandy or how they make Seattle look. I looked for HATH/ Macks reaction but they must be too busy actually creating to care about what people who have to talk about other people to define themselves think. If anything Grandy just fueled their publicity! Haha Grandy is the one riding coattails here... What has he ever written that anyone has thought, wow that changed my life. Zilch. Trying to gain fame by aiming at the easiest target. Just heard he was fired at the stranger for his general suckage. Awww the weekly trying to get edgy. It's cute really. Let's see where Grandy lands in 5 years... Maybe he'll be writing at Seattle Woman.
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Eric Grandy 03/04/2011 2:50:00 AM
pretty sure you just want the simple past tense rather than the present perfect progressive there w/r/t the stranger. it's cool that you know rappers personally tho.
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Godsactionfigure 03/04/2011 2:20:00 AM
Touche. JZ, you do have a point about it being their own damn fault if they're not being written up. I wasn't thinking about them being written about, but more of personally sharing with a friend stuff you like. A lot of times, if somebody's 1st encounter with a genre is a negative one then they don't want to hear something from the same genre.
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IceT 03/04/2011 1:34:00 AM
Maklemore isn't even that good. I doubt he would be getting all this attention if he wasn't such a pretty little white boy. Lame!
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DoeBerman 03/04/2011 1:30:00 AM
Also, the music section of The Stranger has sucked since you took over EG. Im not a huge Mack fan, but the kid knows how to make a song. Shabazz is pretty damn cool looking, but they will never ever ever never ever make a catchy song that people actually purchase. Not all of us spend our days masterbating to 'fringe' eclectic bullshit. Not hating on S.P. I know them both personally.
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Doeberman 03/04/2011 1:27:00 AM
Low blow you fuckin hipster
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helplessness blues 03/03/2011 10:56:00 PM
Sounds like you have a case of the "Helplessness Blues" which I am guessing you don't like either.
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Mario Rubalcaba 03/03/2011 10:52:00 PM
If Mumford & Sons are the Stone Temple Pilots of 'Stadium Folk', which they most certainly are, the Head and the Heart are the Collective Soul...the third, maybe fourth tier derivative. Cross pollinating the Fleet Foxes with Coldplay is not going to age well. Mumford & Sons AND The Head and the Heart are horrifically surface level strip-mining the affectations of the songwriting traditions of Roy Harper, Neil Young, Crosby, Townes Van Zandt...but absolutely missing the point of it all: The Song, the Point of View...the Voice.
Empty, hollow blank slates
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Pot Kettle Black 03/03/2011 10:04:00 PM
I'm also not entirely sure which "Seattle" you're referring to, but the Seattle I know is full of shit-talkers, cynics, critics, and enough bitter legions hating on each others' successes; sounding "the call for a little critical self-examination" is about as confrontational as asking a stranger at a bus stop "Rainy enough for ya?"
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Guest 03/03/2011 9:54:00 PM
Never said hip hop was for the TRUE strugglers in the Bronx only... hip hop can be for everyone. However when your preaching from a borrowed pulpit and trying so hard, your message becomes soft and pointless. That's the point I think Grandy is trying to make. And I agree with him... Mack is a hipster that can spit and thats, that. He will jump to the next pretentious Seattle cause as soon as it pops up, and in doing so endear himself to the local white teens all the way from LC to MP.
We all have hardship, but some of us have the common sense and empathy to realize our struggles pale in the comparison of others... not saying he shouldnt express himself and his life lessons just saying he should realize true sincerity doesnt need
repetition.
Also white rappers that perpetuate everything that is wrong in hip hop are easy to spot, but self important white rappers who are trying to be the evangilical savior of the genre need to be put in their place. Thanks for that Grandy...
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jz 03/03/2011 9:39:00 PM
Write a good article about them then.
"Obnoxious" is anyone who waves a flag you don't. And if people are turned off to bands that aren't being written about because of bands that are being written about, that's their own damn fault.
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Pot Kettle Black 03/03/2011 9:35:00 PM
I'll agree that LCD Soundsystem is notable in the past decade, but definitive? You're stretching it there. What exactly did they define, aside from being a great soundtrack for nosebleeds?
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03/03/2011 9:25:00 PM
While it might be a valid question to ponder what the outside world thinks of us, it most certainly is a fucking stupid one.
If Macklemore compels anyone into the Seattle hip-hop scene, they're going to immediately see a variety of different voices and perspectives, Shabazz included.
Whether you like Mack's overt sincerity or however you want to call it, know that there are at least 3000ish kids that are responding to it in our city alone with those shows at The Showbox, and that means something. I suspect that at the conclusion of this tour, sincerity or not, that number is going to certainly grow.
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03/03/2011 9:20:00 PM
You are trying to hard to find fault with good music.. Your opinion is just that - an opinion. Its not right or wrong. but what it is is kind of sad. Music is made for enjoyment. Once you start dissecting it to the point that you have, you just ruin all enjoyment. These artists don't claim to take themselves too seriously, but ironically your critique takes yourself way too seriously.
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Eric Grandy 03/03/2011 9:05:00 PM
LCD Soundsystem helped define a decade of music; Mack would be lucky to define a zip code.
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Pot Kettle Black 03/03/2011 8:43:00 PM
Good thing we have such timeless, epoch spanning artists like LCD Soundsystem and The Pains of Being Pure At Heart to save us from such trite local fare.
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Eric Grandy 03/03/2011 8:40:00 PM
jz, like i've told you elsewhere: 1. it's a rhetorical device (i ask "is this a good look?" and then answer, "no, decidedly not."), 2. it's a literally valid question to ask of our prominent musical exports, 3. it's meant to draw attention to what i see as the potentially serious blind spot that seattle can have when it comes to its home team, to be a call for a little critical self-examination.
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Godsactionfigure 03/03/2011 7:47:00 PM
I'll tell you why people care. I don't want my favorite local rap groups being ignored because somebody who obnoxiously waves the Seattle flag is turning off other people from actual GOOD music.
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Bittermen 03/03/2011 7:47:00 PM
Is it a coincidence that Grandy was fired from the stranger (and thankfully so according to his peers) and then shows up at the weekly writing an attention garnering couple paragraphs about Macklemore shows hes never been to, a video he sadly never researched past Facebook, and the easiest fame target ever HATH?? No coincidence here. Just a bitter writer with a smaller paycheck writing at an outdated source to a bunch of cold, old Seattlites... Opinions are entitled but this one was simply so Grandy could try again to revive is mundane writing career. Talk about contrived with poor intention. I would love to see a well written and investigative critique on the two biggest music stories in Seattle right now... That would be interesting and respectable.
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jz 03/03/2011 7:32:00 PM
I keep returning to this line:
"But if they're our great success stories or our most promising exports, what is the outside world going to think of us?"
WHO FUCKING CARES?
Anxious, whiny, self-conscious provincialism does not make for good music or valuable criticism.
"Do I like the music? Why or why not?" is a better perspective. Starting with "But what will other people think??" suggests you've lost the plot.
If you don't like the emotional poignancy of Mack or THATH or whoever, go make your own obscurist music. If John Roderick's plea for positive, well-informed journalism tastes like Kool-Aide to you, go write your own story.
Not saying that these artists are beyond criticism--nothing anybody says here is gonna stop people prone to liking them from liking them, so blast away--but criticize them from a personal perspective. Tell me the facts of why you don't like them instead of postulating what other people might think about it all.
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guest. 03/03/2011 7:29:00 PM
'..what is the outside world going to think of us?'
Questions like this being posed in one of Seattle's primary publications will probably make the outside world think of us as insecure, immature, whiny little bitches. Especially in the context of an article that seems to be grounded in nothing but the author's dislike for sincere and heartfelt music. Everyone's opinion is allowed to be expressed, of course. Even contrived, smug, and downright mean opinions featured in this article. I hope that Macklemore and HATH choose to focus not on the pointless and hurtful words of the author here, but instead on the success and the fans and the love that they have. Because the people who appreciate sincerity, technical ability and emotionally touching music around the country and the world FAR outnumber the assholes who just want to cause a stir and stand out by saying something different from the masses.
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Grey Guest 03/03/2011 7:14:00 PM
YES. Thanks for articulating this, Grandy. I've had several conversations with people about these artists and this exact thing recently. Macklemore & THATH get loads of love, I think they can handle a little honest and thoughtful criticism. The cloying sincerity of both these acts is just so over the top, it is way too much for me also. I've tried, but I just can't get into it, and I'm a little perplexed that so many people can. I don't wish them any ill-will, and they seem on their way to success. Why does it seem like people are so defensive about any criticism in this case? Not liking a piece of art doesn't necessarily mean you are a "hater", music is so subjective and there should be room for all variety of tastes and opinions in a vibrant music community, right? Voices of dissent and critical discussion are essential. I wholeheartedly agree with the commenter that said "people only writing about music that turns 'em on....that's not journalism, that's cheerleading." That is what bothers me the most with this - you can either love it or you are a hater if you have any critique. That seems closed-minded to me. Glad to see we aren't all drinking the kool-aid.
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hi 03/03/2011 8:42:00 AM
Dude. Was Macklemore cooler than you in high school and now you're bitter? This article is kind of a joke, do some research before you start your rants.
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lover 03/03/2011 7:56:00 AM
Macklemore isn't trying to save black people he is trying to express his experiences and feelings about the worship of tennis shoes, all kids like tennis shoes fool! I'm pretty sure Macklemore knows who his audience is and he probably knows its not black kids from the southend. He even did the White Privilege song which isn't about telling black people anything, he is explaining to white kids, your exact rant. If he is speaking from the heart and moving forward in progress, why shun him for that, no need to be jealous just because hes doing it big. I know it sucks, there should be a black rapper in his place but thats not how the world works fool! I know it sucks but all different people like hip hop now, its no longer just for TRUE strugglers in the bronx. We all experience hardship and we all have a right to express it through music, no matter what genre. Like corporate america who is raping hip hop, which is the real problem, you should complain about another white mc who is ACTUALLY perpetuating the crap you're complaining about.
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202020 03/03/2011 6:39:00 AM
Someone had to say it. Thank you for having enough backbone to do it. I have a feeling that now that the ice has been broken, more sympathizers of your cause'll start popping up. Gotta love the 18k kickstarter campaign. Setting the cover art to my desktop as we speak.
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Jkim 03/03/2011 4:21:00 AM
Thank u for finally making the 3 nights sold out Showbox-but still needs money for a video-point. That's where I lost respect for him. Isn't it enough your fans sold our your shows, buy your merch and albums?? Macklemore isn't grateful to his fans for anything obviously. How did any of that money donated help the community in any way? Yay. Cool as video maybe? Who gives a fuck about videos anymore anyways. Congrats macklemore for being the softest rapper, as well as a greedy one.
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Godsactionfigure 03/03/2011 3:47:00 AM
Nope. I disagree with all the commenters that think Grandy's opinions are without merit. I think they are incredibly insightful. Somebody had to say what a lot of people were thinking, but didn't want to get screamed at as a hater from the worshipping masses. Most of them who are too young to have educated opinions about music.
It took me years to overcome my feelings that Macklemore was a tool. Now I just think he's merely a competent craftsman, and a brilliant politician. That's it. He's not inspiring. He rarely says anything that could be construed as a bold statement. If anything, he's where he's at because he has rarely made bold statements. We're talking about a guy whose the softest rapper alive.
I almost became a convert when he played Go machine. Because he has an amazing work ethic, and has endless patience shaking people's hands, and acting like he cares. I almost fell for it. But my respect for him completely went out the window when he started campaigning as a survivor of addiction, but then turned around and sold T-shirts with a bottle of Jameson whiskey on them. It was hypocritical at best, or horribly irresponsible and crass of him to sell out those values just so he could make a buck.
It also irritates me that he had "3 sold-out Showbox shows", yet has the nerve to say he doesn't have the money to produce a video. Shaking down the wallets of a mostly all-ages audience is DEFINITELY crass, and borderline scamming.
I have no doubt he'll be successful. So was Dave Matthews. And like Dave, Macklemore will probably keep writing the same exact song over and over again. He's a 1 trick pony. Helluva trick, I admit it. But Macklemore probably lacks the ability to exit his comfort zone and actually go hard. He has yet to prove he can.
He'd be nowhere without Ryan Lewis. Competent craftsman, and brilliant politician. That's all he is. Thank-you Grandy for pointing out the emperor has no clothes.
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Tony Busta 03/03/2011 2:21:00 AM
Macklemore is one of the best stage performers out there. But on a CD, his sound lacks everything that Hip Hop is.
And I like how Ryan Lewis is supposed to be somebody now. Pay some dues fool. Your lucky you get to ride on Macklemore's coat tail. Guess your just second best.
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Guest 03/02/2011 11:42:00 PM
Macklemore= the total appropriation of black culture... Hip hop started as a outlet for a group of individuals whose voices were not heard and who's experiences not validated (i.e. young african american males). Not a platform for a privledged white guy from Seattle to lecture from. Not only has white america dictated how rap/ hip hop is these days (via their purchassing power and arguably to the detrimant of the community that started the medium), but now their trying to play the consicous face of hip hop... just what we need another white man trying to save us from... what... us?
I dont want to pass a value judgement... but when is this minstrel show going to end? Hip hop and its audience doesnt need to be saved from itself? It needs to be saved from those who are trying to pimp it out for a profit! BY THE WAY LIKING NIKES doesnt lead to a life ending... a misguided sense of masculinity does that! Young black youth are not going to be socialized by some white guy from the hill... sorry seattle real life doesnt work that way. Generally a shared experience helps (being from that community)...
Like Token told Stan on South Park... You just dont get it.
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Davist2 03/02/2011 11:41:00 PM
This article lacks the depth and research that good critical writing should contain. Grandy uses the typical Seattle passive aggressive emotional bash response to those gaining and working for success in our city. This is far from an informed critique.. Where is the interview? Did he even attend the shows he's writing about? God awful immature reporting. If there is a story here show it to us through example. The examples you provide are loaded and misrepresented. I would prefer to critique the wings video once it is released not judge before witnessing. Grandy comes off as a false prophet here... With little inspiration and evidence of his proclamations. I look forward to informed and researched critiques of seattles emerging artists.
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guestypostyy 03/02/2011 11:19:00 PM
don't you dare bring lester bangs into this!
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Eric Grandy 03/02/2011 10:14:00 PM
provincialism is holding the home team beyond criticism.
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guest 03/02/2011 9:53:00 PM
Seems to me that you're jaded and those of us that love this sincere style of music find it a refreshing change from all the icey passive-agressive seattlites we've known up to this point. Knowing members of HATH, they are actually that sincere and aren't putting on a facade just for our enjoyment. Instead of assuming you know what they're about, maybe interview them and actually find out.
also, you're seriously comparing a pop MTV puff show to an IFC indie-made series and expect them to look the same?
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lordbison 03/02/2011 9:50:00 PM
Well articulated. Over-stylized evangelism comes in spades from these two acts and it's a turn off.
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guest 03/02/2011 9:28:00 PM
Eric - AGREED. Saw Macklemore a few Fridays ago at Hugo House and his earnest cheese was hard to watch. This was the first time I had this thought about him, having been taken by his charm at City Arts Hip Hop Church. Macklemore raps South Seattle Aesop fables. No doubt his 10th grade English teacher complimented his writing and encouraged him to continue with it.
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i'mnewhere 03/02/2011 9:28:00 PM
I agree with this article 3 million percent.
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jz 03/02/2011 9:12:00 PM
Also: Nothing screams provincialism and self-doubt more than asking the question "Is this a good look for Seattle?"
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jz 03/02/2011 7:54:00 PM
Eric Grandy comes out sincerely against sincerity SHOCKA
Really though: I don't think Portlandia is a good look for Portland at all. (Guess what: Armisen and Brownstein are only part-time residents.) And the argument of "Why can't these bands be more like that band" is feeble.
Embracing Shabazz is easy--you can tell what dude is hinting at but can only guess at what he really means. Blunted obfuscation is cool. Sober clarity is not. Embracing the clearly-defined emotions of Mack or THATH requires a vulnerability that a lot of people can't get to bc they themselves are shoulder-chipped cynics who have a tough time fully embracing any heartfelt emotion without some pang of self-conscious irony.
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c-leb 03/02/2011 7:48:00 PM
Speak your mind Eric and fuck the haters with opinions about opinions.
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eriktheready 03/02/2011 7:33:00 PM
Haha a comedic and inaccurate burn article... Eric Grandy is a bitter sub-par writer jealous that he has nothing to look forward to as he bathes in pathetic misery writing for the weekly for the rest of his life... unless of course they fire him from this publication as well. Nice try... but again you fail at life.