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Next Door Neighbor 02/28/2011 7:52:00 PM
Jeff, we don't want you to repudiate your article -- we want you to clean your damn lawn!
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02/28/2011 4:32:00 AM
To set the record straight: I did not know Scott or Kristin Haynes. They were not my friends. I have never met them. They didn’t know me either, so to say I was "friendly with" them is a full-blown falsehood.
I watched Scott Haynes play guitar a few times. That was the extent of our relationship. We never spoke a single word to each other. Thus your characterization is completely wrong and reveals your desperation to locate sense in this.
To suggest that I had a personal vendetta against people I'd never met means you’re looking for a way to rationalize their behavior. Knock yourself out, but don't say they were my friends. Everyone here knows that's untrue, so it chips away at your crumbling credibility that much more.
I could have used my "power of discrimination" to leave out details and tell only part of the story, sure. If you want to chronicle their downfall in a way that makes you happy, then why haven't you published your own version? Paint your picture your way. Don't tell me how to paint mine.
I stand behind the piece 100% and have not one single regret about writing it. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Why would I? Neither I nor the Seattle Weekly had a hand in drafting the tax code.
The fact that I was in Fort Lauderdale the day they were arrested doesn't necessarily mean I was there to set them up, or that I was living on the island so I could nail criminals. However, I was working in Denver the day of the Columbine shootings. I was up in Boulder the night Jon Benet was killed. And I lived in Florida the year they hung those poor chads.
So you might really be on to something.
Roatan Island Times is several thousand dollars in debt and has yet to make a dime.
I worked as a radio DJ from April to August of 2010. I was paid in hot dogs and Salva Vida, which, in the quantities I received, are not considered taxable income. Thanks for caring, though.
I don't intend to defend the article. Perhaps try reading it again. And getting your facts straight.
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Nextdoorneighrbor 02/21/2011 2:55:00 PM
GrandAyatollah, aren't you really Fred? You live across the street from those two bozos! You used to complain to me about the fact that their lawn was never mowed and that the trash cans smelled. I always said that's rich, coming from you, Fred. However, the old tires and busted cinder blocks WERE unsightly.
C'mon over sometime, Fred! I'll put that Mike's Hard Lemonade you like so much on ice.
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GrandAyatollah 02/21/2011 1:50:00 AM
Right! That's the point. It's not that I actually think or know that the author is some type of "snitch" or that there is a conspiracy...its just to say that by writing random, often ill-informed things about people damage can be done, ideas planted, reputations affected-- often in an unfair and undeserved way. That is my opinion on this article, it is overkill and does not do a good job of capturing the essence of this couple's situation. They have the right to roll the dice and lose...still doesn't make for a relevant article to me in this Seattle newspaper. Although I suppose with the editorial "Even Peter Schiff Thinks His Dad Should Pay Taxes" statement this free weekly really is committed to having a strong voice on the tax evasion issue. Good luck with that, Seattle Weekly. And what about the stuff you didn't address? What about suggesting that the Haynes's are the type of people that would seek retaliation? Nobody on Roatan wants their name in an official government investigation report. I'm not saying they didn't tell that to the agents, but it doesn't make it true. The writer could have used his power of discrimination to not include parts that would be especially damaging to people he is friendly with, but he didn't. And who needs a simple google search when his facebook page is public? I sure hope every dime of money from that Island Times and DJ gig is being reported to the IRS within US Government law, nobody likes a hypocrite!
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Next Door Neighbor 02/20/2011 3:40:00 PM
Did you SEE how messy Kristin and Scott kept their yard? Beer cans, McDonald's discards, bottle caps -- it was enough to get 'em drummed out of the neighborhood watch!
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TheDudeAbides 02/19/2011 11:47:00 PM
Thanks to years of calculated intimidation and high-profile prosecutions, we Americans are frightened little bunnies when it comes to the IRS: the slightest “boo” from the taxman sends us into a faint.
Unless, of course, you run with the politicos, then the IRS is akin to a pet pit bull. You can sic it on your enemies or tell it to heel if it so much as looks askance in your direction.
Whereas the typical mug would have to worry about serving time for evading taxes on hundreds of thousands of dollars, when Rep. Charles Rangel was caught serially cheating the king out of his coin – compounding the offense with the hypocrisy of his steady calls, as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, for raising the taxes on the productive in America – his punishment came down to a censure.
And what form does this dire punishment take? The poor dear congressman had to stand in the well of the House of Representatives for a minute while it was announced that the vote of censure had passed. Having completed the unpleasant business of censuring the longtime prevaricator, the Democrats stood in order to give Rangel a standing ovation.
In the video linked here, you can witness Rangel’s censure. The harsh stuff begins at 0:37 into the video and concludes at 1:34. Here’s the link. If you don’t think that we are a nation of serfs (you) and overlords (them), you aren’t paying attention.
http://www.examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/rep-charles-rangel-is-censured-by-the-house-video
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For Grand Ayatollah 02/15/2011 11:08:00 PM
WHEN U WRITE NASTY LETTERS TO THE IRS AND DON'T FILE TAX RETURNS
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WHY WOULD THE IRS NEED A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT TO BUST YR DUMB ASS?
THE IRS USES UNDERCOVER AGENTS TO BUST TAX EVADERS. DID THEY BUY THEIR PLANE TICKETS TOO???
OK. SURE. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. WHY DON'T U MAKE PUBLIC THE VENDETTA THE WRITER HAD AGAINST THESE IDIOTS. THAT"S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HERE. NOT YOUR LAME CONSPIRACY THEORIES. IF THIS GUY WAS WORKING FOR THE IRS, PROVE IT. YOU SAY SEATTLE WEEKLY FORCED THESE PEOPLE 2 FLY BACK TO THE US AND HAD AN IRS UNDERCOVER WORKING BETWEEN HONDURAS AND FLORIDA. SOUNDS LIKE AN ELABORATE SET UP FOR TWO PEOPLE TOO STUPID TO PAY THEIR TAXES LIKE A REAL AMERICAN WOULD!
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Stuck In Reverse 02/15/2011 8:09:00 PM
Ayatollah,
1. Why characterize simple public records as "sensitive documents?" The pair in this story were arrested, tried and convicted in the United States of America, where court records are available to anyone who wishes to view them. Yes, you might have to pay a few cents to make copies, but why write that obtaining a file from a federal criminal court case constitutes "quick access to a bunch of sensitive documents?" What, exactly, is your understanding of the First Amendment and the Freedom of Information Act?
2. A very basic public records search shows that the story's author bought property in Ft Lauderdale in 2001. The author then remained there almost a decade, waiting for your friends to drop in? Did you do a simple Google search to attempt to ascertain what the writer was doing in Ft Lauderdale? Was it working for the Internal Revenue Service as an "undercover informant?" Or was he a busboy at Chili's? Not hard to discover.
3. What does "living well," treating people nicely, staying active, teaching guitar, being well-read, etc. have to do with the fact that these two rolled the dice and lost? The fact is, by not paying their fair share, this couple shifted their burden onto everyone else -- even as they made more money in a few years than most people earn in a lifetime! Right? Is that not why they're in prison? Or was this all the diabolical work of an "undercover" double-agent? A paid government snitch? An "informant?" But wouldn't that informant's testimony be part of ... the court transcripts?
Better get this tale to the Seattle Weekly ASAP, 'Tollah. People on Roatan are dying to read that expose, so make sure your documents are appropriately sensitive.
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Denverite 02/14/2011 11:17:00 PM
Excellent article by one of my favorite writers!
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Next Door Neighbor 02/14/2011 8:19:00 PM
We wouldn't be having this conversation if only Scott and Kristin had regularly cleaned their yard.
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Someone who liked the story 02/14/2011 3:29:00 PM
This is the funniest comment yet. Does this writer really think the editor of the Seattle Weekly was duped? Everyone knows that editors write and choose all head lines some of the wording to help sell magazines as that is their job. And as if stealing by the Haynes of over $800,000 from the IRS is just a misdemeanor. Also funny is how it is the writer's fault that they did not learn not to steal from all of the rest of us tax payers when they went to jail the first time an swore that they learned their lesson. Who do they think pays for roads and schools and even the president salary? They are doing nothing more than pulling a theist. They are not in the streets protesting the tax laws. They were just not too smart that is for sure. Twice in prison boy now that is a tax protester that I can understand. So who's facts are more believable?
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GrandAyatollah 02/14/2011 2:19:00 AM
So many discrepancies!
First off, what's the point of this article in Seattle Weekly? Rolling Stone I could see, but Seattle Weekly? Sounds like the editorial board got duped by a writer intent on settling some kind of vendetta to me. When another friend of mine was arrested coming back from the Caribbean for a crime he didn't commit, now that was a story, AND relevant to Seattle.
- Secondly, the author so clearly picks and chooses facts based on how convenient they are for the version of the story he wants to tell. With a disregard for reality, the conclusions are meaningless. The only facts there are is that Scott and Kristin openly engaged (as shown by the letters used in the article) in a refusal to pay taxes-- hence, they could not be charged with a felony such as fraud. This article is about two people who are serving prison time for MISDEMEANORS. If that's front page news, I've got some stories for Seattle Weekly! I have never particularly agreed with their fight against the federal tax system, but so what? They were doing it openly and knew full well what the potential risk was.
- By saying that he's a friend and didn't know Scott had served time, all "Roatan Rick" is saying is that he's not really that good of a friend at all, he just happens to own a bar where Scott plays and is friendly with him. And to suggest that people were scared to use their names for fear of retaliation-- the only retaliation is that their friendship with Scott and Kristin would be affected negatively, and nobody wants to lose their friendship with Scott and Kristin...what does that tell you? If I was afraid of looking like a back-stabber to be people that have been good to me I'd request to be anonymous as well.
- Finally, how could the editorial board not start being suspicious when restaurant spending habits are used as evidence of some sort of financial status? Maybe they stopped going to the thai restaurant because it IS overpriced and is on a Caribbean island...so why not go get a really good burrito for half the price or stay in? They would split a bottle of wine?! OMG, what fugitives! Perhaps its that they were never into flaunting, period? Additionally, the idea that they were flying around under the radar like fugitives is just bogus. They had visited the states the previous summer as well, visiting me and other people...and they used REAL passports! So it wasn't that all the pressure to see family and visit malls built up and they snapped and made a miscalculation...they just really believe(d) in their side of the issue and were willing to fight for that. The fact that Scott had already served time underscores this...they were well aware of the risks of what they were doing! Agree or not, where's the story? AND, as the article points out, they are clearly willing to serve their time with grace as well. Kristin did not discover yoga and consciousness on the lam in Honduras, and Scott did not dress up like a surfer to hide his felonious ways-- they are genuinely good, interesting, well-read people who are constantly exploring ways to free themselves from the "prison" of having programmed, mass-produced opinions and boring, stale, unquestioned lives, and always have been. That's why Kristin is teaching yoga and Scott is teaching guitar-- they genuinely believe in living the "good life" of staying active and treating the people around them well, tropical island or prison or Spokane or whatever the setting may be.
I predict the writer of this article will (or already does) regret writing this piece in the long run, and people on Roatan have loooong memories in spite of all the cocktails and Salva Vidas. But at the same time, who knows what his REAL motivation is? A quick search reveals that he maintains a residence in Ft. Lauderdale, the same city where Scott and Kristin were detained. The IRS website is currently featuring this case on their website as a warning to all who may try to evade, so clearly they want this story out, and I'm sure they would love this one. Roatan is swarming with all kinds of undercovers and informants...perhaps this gentleman is getting paid on both sides of this "story"? Sure did get quick access to a bunch of sensitive documents for an article in...Seattle Weekly? Strange.
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Sailor Sam 02/11/2011 9:00:00 PM
What the hell, CaptainCrunch -- is your penis caught in the keyboard?
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No free ride 02/11/2011 8:22:00 PM
All the tax money they owed the feds and local govt, plus the accrued interest should have been taken from the sales of their various properties and business - and if they still owed money, they should have been sent to separate work camps to pay off their social debt. I don't care if they're 70+ years old - make them a shinning example of fiscal and social responsibility. The only thing the insipid sentence of their low security detention shows people, is that you can be financially irresponsible, not pay your fair share, get a slap on the wrist and move on with your utterly corrupt life. They should have been forced to serve continuous community service for the underprivileged for the rest of their worthless, breathing days.
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CaptainCrunch 02/11/2011 3:05:00 AM
I will bet you that the whole story was made up. There is now possibble way the people on Roiatan can be that stupid. This drummer, Dave, sounds like hhe needs to spend a few months in North Korea. What a complete fucken moron!!
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westendtrophywife 02/10/2011 3:28:00 AM
right. rick never would have said that
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David 02/09/2011 10:56:00 PM
Wow, thanks for the article. I just returned from a vacation in Roatan and wondered where my friends Scott and Kirsten were. Damn nice people, too bad they got sucked into this whole tax conspiracy thing. I wish them well.
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Next Door Neighbor 02/09/2011 8:21:00 PM
Rick, I told you already -- stop blaming the government for your shortcomings and clean up your lawn!
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Next Door Neighbor 02/09/2011 8:20:00 PM
Rick, you need to clean your backyard. The beer cans keep spilling onto my property. I know you want to blame it on 'the man,' but we're tired of your bad attitude.
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Truelovevirgoangel 02/09/2011 11:13:00 AM
Oh yeah... they like the money part? How is money different or even better than gold itself? What store do you know of that would accept gold for payment? Or even know how much gold to charge you? There's the answer to your sad arguement. Our Government created paper money and began controlling us with it before taxing the crap out of us. There isn't enough gold to back all the paper money we keep printing, that's the problem with our economy and sooner or later that inflation bubble is going to pop.
What about people who drive on our roads and send their kids to school here and live off the state but NEVER pay into it? Is that not a problem with our tax system in this country? If you say no, you're just ignorant and if you say yes, then we should be questioning the system and demanding correction. The story doesn't answer the question about their property because they probably don't know, they didn't do much research into the actual laws. LOL! If our Government wanted their land, you don't think they could get it? Do you think our Government, in all of it's power, can't break it's own laws and hide it from us? That would be really hard since EVERYONE in the US is sooooooooo interested in our Government, they don't have sex, cable tv, movies and shopping to distract them or anything...
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Truelovevirgoangel 02/09/2011 10:57:00 AM
This is a retarded article. The moral of the story in the end is that he could never defeat the Government so why did he even try? Really?!?! I have to say I would love to know my children grow up never questioning anything or fighting for what they believe in, because that would make them GREEDY?! WTF? How does that even make sense? So if you actually care about the world you live in, you just obey unquestioningly and love your oppression? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. It hurts my brain to know this was actually printed. The whole article keeps talking about what the couple believed but notice how they never even attempt to prove they were wrong. It REEKS of assumptions that our Government will always know what is best for us and they could never be wrong. That’s not only pathetic and disgusting but it couldn’t be further from the truth.
Then his friend says the same system that allowed you to make all this money is the same system you’re so angry at. That doesn’t make any sense either. How does any system “allow” you to make money? I thought you EARNED money, meaning you worked for it, which makes it yours. Our system only “allows” us to live freely if we pay up, that sounds like a Criminal Organization to me.
Maybe you guys at Seattle Weekly should take a look into Individualism VS. Collectivism, it might clear this all up.
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Strkt 02/08/2011 3:57:00 AM
Dave, as most people on Roatan are painfully aware of, isn't too smart.
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Sailor Sam 02/07/2011 9:37:00 PM
Rick, Scott, and Kristin have good things to say about Fred, as we all do. Dave, though, seems a little confused about his feelings about Fred.
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DaveZ 02/07/2011 7:59:00 PM
still pays his taxes though
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Next Door Neighbor 02/06/2011 3:31:00 PM
Yeah, they did -- you just couldn't see it under all that trash.
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Dailyrotten 02/06/2011 12:36:00 AM
Um, they did NOT have a front yard, moron
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Next Door Neighbor 02/05/2011 3:30:00 PM
I don't know -- didn't they use to leave beer cans on the front lawn?
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My Wang 02/05/2011 5:11:00 AM
Howard Stern's penis!!!
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bill gates 02/04/2011 5:07:00 AM
I don't know why you guys are all attacking the writer. It reads pretty objectively to me. He explains how a couple was intrigued by Irwin Schiff and how a pretty normal couple could get roped in by those arguments. I think he paints them as cool people. I remember seeing commercials in the 80s of Schiff bragging about how he didn't pay taxes. But the funny thing about the people who join these movements -- if they reject the government so much, why do they accept as legal tender the money that it prints? Why not burn it and carry around gold bars? Oh yeah.... they like the money part.... hahah
I'm sure this couple drove on roads, sent their kids to schools -- all paid with tax dollars. When they flew safely into the US, rules developed by the FAA and homeland security kept them safe. One thing that the story doesnt answer: does the US govt have the authority to seize their property in Honduras? Sounds like no. When they get out of jail, they will probably just cruise back down and settle back in to their tropical condos in Panama or their dive shop in the Bahamas. I think this couple will have the last laugh after all.
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Scottie Pippen 02/04/2011 4:30:00 AM
These ppl are the victims when they wrote letters to the IRS and never filed there taxes? How does that work? If it was 1-sided, why did they interview the family members and their friends? These ppl sound crazy to me
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tom 02/04/2011 3:40:00 AM
This is a very well written piece. Sour grapes from a small island don't change that.
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drummerDave 02/04/2011 1:59:00 AM
It's already out. lol Scott wrote the music............
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drummerDave 02/04/2011 1:53:00 AM
Aaron, I know that Rick continues to have lots of good to say about Kristen and Scott; as we all do, and just as he did when interviewed by Jeff. Obviously, what he was quoted as saying was extremely selective and misquoted to a certain degree. All of us who know Rick, know that you need to witness the context of what Rick says to understand what he means and that was maliciously missed by the writer of this article. From my experience, nobody would know that better than Scott Haynes!
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drummerDave 02/04/2011 1:44:00 AM
I'll second that!!!!!!!!! I've questioned the abilities, judgement and capabilities of this writer with his "media endeavours" in the past and I'm now convinced that not only does the writer of this article (I refuse to actually call him a writer) not have good intentions with his attempts but may actually be suffering with some mental illness issues. That's not his fault but it's very unfortunate for a couple who deserves better, to have to fall victim to a one sided, self centred, ulterior motive-oriented piece of crap writing. Jeff, like what Stu suggested earlier to you on Facebook, you need to "get a life". The one you are living right now (with the crap you did on the air at Roatan Radio and now writing this article) obviously isn't earning you any respect from anyone that matters.
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Markhavey 02/03/2011 8:21:00 PM
This article is rubbish and the writer should be ashamed of himself. He knew these people himself. This is sensationalist journalism at it's absolute worst. What could the writer possibly be thinking of to write this sort of story. There couldn't be that much money in it for you Jeff. The content is mean spirited and hurtful to two people that deserve much better than that from you.
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Liberty Tree 02/03/2011 6:55:00 PM
"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.
We must make our election between economy and liberty
or profusion and servitude.
If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and
in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and
our amusements, for our calling and our creeds...
we [will] have no time to think,
no means of calling our miss-managers to account
but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves
to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.
And this is the tendency of all human governments.
A departure from principle in one instance
becomes a precedent for another
till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery.
And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt.
Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Author of The Declaration of Independence,
Founding Father, 3rd US President
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.0564
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02/03/2011 5:41:00 PM
You're absolutely right, Family. The subhed was my (the editor's) choice. No malice intended. It was just the way I interpreted Jeff's story.
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Family 02/03/2011 4:36:00 PM
Just can't believe Rick was quoted saying that. I know several people who are boycotting his restaurant now.
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Family 02/03/2011 4:33:00 PM
Yeah, just saying. I was annoyed by the sub title. I know the journalist personally and he would have never wrote that. Editor's choice, but that is how it goes.
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Loaferoatan 02/02/2011 9:54:00 PM
Nice people and very well liked here on Roatan.....
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Crrrespin 02/02/2011 9:36:00 PM
Wait family: don't you already say this in the story? "They felt like they were justified in asking questions."
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granola 02/02/2011 9:27:00 PM
Can't wait to see the movie!
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Family 02/02/2011 9:04:00 PM
Their plight was never to be greedy. Spin it however you want. They had legitimate questions and were retaliated against. You just can't win against the IRS.