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 Dear Dategirl,

My fiancé and I are devout Christians, and made a decision that we'd remain abstinent for the three months leading up to our marriage. (Neither of us are virgins, and we've had sex prior to this during our four-year relationship.) We both agreed that this chaste period would help make our wedding vows that much more special and sacred. We also both agreed to refrain from masturbating or looking at porn.

Fast-forward to his bachelor party: A group of his friends took him to a strip club and he won't say what happened. I know he was drunk and feeling pressured by his guy friends. He said he didn't want them making fun of him, so when everyone went into a private room, he went along. He refuses to tell me everything that happened, but I know he got a lap dance and he at least touched one of the naked women. To me, this is cheating.

I am so disappointed and furious. He swears he didn't cheat, and is even starting to get angry at me for "making a big deal out of it." We're supposed to be getting married in less than a month, and I am ready to call the whole thing off. My parents are paying for the wedding and staying out of it, but told me they'd support whatever I chose to do. I can't even look at him right now, and I would feel like a liar and a hypocrite if I just walked down the aisle because I felt pressured into it. Help.

—Furious Fiancée

Postpone. You don't have to cancel the whole thing, but how are you supposed to enjoy a wedding when you're marrying someone you want to punch in the head? I'm not saying you have to dump the guy, but since he's not talking or being contrite, you should probably at least put it off until you can look at him without hissing and spitting.

Unlike a lot of couples, you two seem to have constructed a fairly well-spelled-out definition of cheating. He had to know that if rubbing one out to Anal Acrobats 5 was off-limits, tweaking real live stripper nipples would also be on the don't list. Therefore, his whole "It wasn't cheating" line is disingenuous at best.

Another thing: I know I'm in the minority here, but I find the whole bachelor/bachelorette party completely idiotic. Mostly because women get the shaft—and not in a pulsating, "oh, God" way either. Why do men get hot strippers writhing on their crotches while women get stuck wearing plastic penis jewelry and having to resort to gay bars to see a little dude ass? (Note to bachelorettes: Please quit going to gay bars—you're annoying.) And why do naked women who aren't your bride-to-be figure into your celebration of marriage? Most guys in strip clubs are married anyway, so it's not like it stops with the vows.

But I digress. The point is, you two had an agreement, and a combination of bouncing boobies and peer pressure caused him to willfully ignore that. I don't think he's necessarily a bad person, but by refusing to talk and acknowledge what he's done, he's making it about a billion times worse. So if he wants to get married, he needs to start yapping.

dategirl@seattleweekly.com

 
  • AnniHispanni 09/28/2010 11:38:00 AM

    First of all, was she AWARE that her fiance was having his bachelor party at a strip club? If so, why wouldn't she put her foot down BEFORE he participated? Given the extreme lengths they went to emphasize the sanctity of there fidelity, one would think that both parties would deem a strip club bachelor party as inappropriate. Who gives a shit about tradition? So many men opt for alternatives like playing a round of golf and going out for a steak dinner with his buddies. Let me guess, the strip club was a surprise. He could have axed the plans and gone off to play pool. So what we have here are some interesting conclusions: 1.)She isn't smart enough to realize that in allowing her husband to attend a strip club is basically setting him up for cheating on her, because that would go against their boundaries of what is cheating. So, did she intentionally set him because she doesn't really want to marry him? Furthermore, she can go without sex with the man she is getting ready to marry? Especially when they had slept together before. On the flip side, he is the one who abstain from getting down with her. That leads me to believe he doesn't really want to sleep her and is going to resorting to other avenues to relieve his blue balls. A stripper this time, but what about the next pretty face shows him some attention? If you aren't numero uno right now for his needs, sexual or otherwise, you never will be. 2.) His friends who will be an integral part of their life were encouraging their friend to cheat on his fiance. His friends don't care about either of them. 3.)He doesn't have enough backbone to stand up for himself or her. He is also placing the happiness of his bonehead friends than the woman in his happily ever after. He certainly isn't the type to take accountability for his actions or for the feelings of the person he hurt. 4.)He doesn't love her enough to feel that paying a naked women to give hm a lap dance is inappropriate. Or he's too dense to realize that this would make her second guess marrying him. If what he really wants is her, he would never have gone because he wouldn't desire another woman in the flesh. 4.) Both of them are devout Christians and hiding behind their shared faith so they don't have to communicate with one another. Manipulation, denial, hypocrisy...no wonder they choose to be Christian! Go to premarital counseling to weed through your faulty ideals of what marriage will do for your relationship and what it won't. My opinions on strip clubs are pretty liberal...if you are single or you are up front with your partner and they are comfortable with you going to strip clubs. When my husband and I got married I told him in advance NO strippers. He wouldn't have wanted one anyway, but I had to be clear about my feelings and he was respectful enough to communicate that with his best man. So to sum things up, both parties don't love and respect each other enough to make the commitment of a marriage or honor their vows down the line. It's clear they both have some growing up to do. Whether they choose to do that together or apart is up to them and neither option will be a walk in the park. Marriage won't change the fact that nurturing your relationship will get easier. It actually makes it tougher and it's a bitch to get out of. My 2 cents was more like a dollar, but this one struck a nerve! Still reading you after all these years!

  • Keefer 09/27/2010 6:23:00 AM

    Dear Furious Fiancee, The fact that YOU came up with a three month abstinance period just shows what a controlling, overbearing little witch you are. Perhaps you should try S&M because obviously that's what you're shooting for to start with. The fact that he strayed out of your range to go to a strip club with his friends only proves my point. Not justifying his actions or a strip club before his wedding day, but just hoping it could save him from the years of torment with you.

  • simon 09/05/2010 1:03:00 AM

    this is bat shit crazy !

  • Chris 09/02/2010 10:25:00 PM

    Let me guess-- you initiated both the marriage conversation and quite possibly the whole "3 months of pointless abstinence plan" (devout Christians are so cute with their little rules). Break up and move on. He's marrying you to because that's what people-pleasers do and he sounds like a prime example. If you want a relationship based on resentment and seething irritation, by all means go through with it. But until he grows a spine enough stand up for his own interests around his friends and fiancee, you're both better off moving on.

  • Belowrewerve 09/02/2010 7:26:00 AM

    For his sake, please cancel. A women who a) is blown up about the bachelor party, and b) drags her parents into the blow up is gonna be a nightmare. Date some more. Find a guy who will treat you like a brother. But please call this one off.

  • OccamShave 09/02/2010 4:07:00 AM

    I wouldn't marry him either. But not for the reason the bridal-industrial-complex consumer thinks. I think anyone who goes to a bachelor party isn't really ready, willing or mature enough to get married, and doesn't want to get married. And women are doing a poor, sad, pathetic "get-back" that doesn't work. Like Judy says, stuffing cupcakes in their pie-hole is just sad. On the other hand, so many xian 'purity" vows are (after being stupidly made) broken. Or, even better , young xians are Saddlebacking for Jeeeezus. Anal sex so their little vaginas are technically pure. Gross. Talk about "letter of the law" while violating "spirit of the law". Hey, you're the ones who decided to swallow that particular mythology as your law to start with. Hypocritical.

  • Bill Parker 09/02/2010 3:53:00 AM

    Hey Date Girl; I enjoy your column very much and I think you generally give good advice. In this case, I think his batch party is harmless-he is probably so in love he did not even get a woody. Its really for the guests of the party that they make the guy go through this stuff. When I was getting married-I had no eye for strippers or prostitutes and really don't know because its not a turn-on watching 30 guys leer at a babe taking her clothes off that you cannot touch. And even though they both agreed to not masturbate- a young guy is probably gonna do it in his sleep via nocturnal emissions or whatever-it has to come out somehow because it rapidely builds up at a young age. So I would say the bar was raised a little high, and the guy no doubt loves her. i would advise him that if she delays the wedding over this crap-she has witch potential and he should think twice about marrying her. It will be a long difficult road because she won't get any more understanding with age. In summation, I think it is common to have "pre-maritial stress" and she should probably break her pledge and fire up a battery-operated device, if she hasn't already. I find these real religious types to be very judgmental but exceedingly human with all the failings us other humans have. And "hypocrite" is something that usually applies.

  • courtney 09/02/2010 2:59:00 AM

    Go with your gut, always go with your gut. I wish I would have before my marriage... the same thing happened, and he ended up cheating on me through our entire marriage. It was so unfair, I coulda' been out getting laid like mad by better looking men! what a waste that I stayed faithful, ha! that's why it's called cheating, though. Men like this do this because they know we're really hot and would probably dump them for another guy if there was competition. Let me guess, this guy chased and pursued you relentlessy... couldn't wait to put a ring on your finger so he could own you, and then he can be selfish and do what ever he wants. watch out for those kind

  • bob greenberg 09/02/2010 12:58:00 AM

    "If you're going to have one foot in the world, and one in Christ" - HA HA HA! You're into some weird stuff Denise Goodman!

  • opie 09/01/2010 10:54:00 PM

    Yea, I kinda have my doubts about this one too. However, a christian girl can have anal sex and still call herself a virgin, so who knows? I would postpone the wedding as I don't feel the bride to be is up to the reality of being married. Being married isn't everything's perfect, exactly as you've planned out, it's totally opposite. If you can't get over this mistake, what's the next mistake you can't get over going to be? Hey, people make alot of mistakes real or perceived by their significant others. Being married means you can learn to accept boneheaded things the other does. If you can't, you're just going to end up divorced. I think like many foolish people you've tried to make this a movie setting world where everything's perfect. You know hon, real life doesn't work like the movies. Postpone or break it off, not because of him, but because of you.

  • Puh-leeze 09/01/2010 10:36:00 PM

    I am guessing that these allegedly mutual decisions about pre-wedding porn, sex, masturbation and all that other crap were her ideas and her agenda. Straight young guys don't think like that when already involved in a relationship. Oh, sure, we may go along with our gal's fruity ideas about such things, at first, to make a giddy, increasingly-self-worshipping bride-to-be happy, but we grow to think it bullshit over time. But apparently even that display of subservience was not enough for her. Now her controlling nature is showing itself by this whole inquisition-about-the-bachelor-party thing. Don't marry him, honey! You are doing HIM a fucking favor, you controlling drama queen. In fact, if the dude doesn't marry you, he may go on to find some gal who appreciates having sex with him more than she wants to get into weird three-month chastity locks to make her "special day" (gack) even more about her, her, her.

  • JimmyBoy! 09/01/2010 10:08:00 PM

    If the husband-to-be is a good guy, and if this is the one solitary hic-up in an otherwise stellar relationship, then get the fuck over yourself, and cut him some slack. Trust me, if I were in his shoes, I would be having SERIOUS doubts about marrying YOU right now.

  • Denise Goodman 09/01/2010 9:25:00 PM

    I know this isn't the point, but I smell bs here. Why would a devout Christian read your column, when there are so many Christian sites that offer relationship advice catered directly to them? Secondly, abstaining from sex, masturbation and porn (excuse me, are devout Christians even supposed to be viewing porn? what, is it Christian porn?) three months before the wedding is only going to make you both hornier on your wedding night that you might have normally been. God already knows you've both copulated and whatever else, so saying this abstinence will make your wedding vows more sacred is NOT for the sake of showing God how pure your are. And lastly, devout Christians are not supposed to be unequally yoked, meaning they're not supposed to hang out with non-devout Christians who would drag them to a strip club for a bachelor party. Don't be mad at your fiancee for being a hypocrite because it sounds like you're both not as "devout" as you'd like to be. If you're going to have one foot in the world, and one in Christ, then trust me, you're not devout. Give it up. You're not fooling anybody. And once you realize that, you'll forgive your fiancee for his indiscretion under peer pressure, and marry him.

 

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