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bb 03/18/2010 9:15:00 AM
Dicks is serving nostalgia, not burgers. You couldn't open a restaurant today and serve that shit - you'd get laughed out of town.
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ice cube 02/22/2010 9:27:00 AM
Dick's in your mouth is bad for your health...
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don't eat crap anyway 02/22/2010 9:25:00 AM
Dick's burgers taste like White Castle from the frozen food section. If you've ever had an In 'n Out burger in Cali, you probably drive right past that dive.
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trans 02/22/2010 1:57:00 AM
Chris is a fucking moron. The only reason that seattle has any relevance on the national scene are the numerous intelligent transplants who have brought culture to your otherwise podunk shithole, not the least of which come from California. Of course we will have our fair share of imbeciles with nothing to offer our fair city, Mr. Sheehan, I am speaking to you. But the "locals" need to bow down and kiss the asses of the people who have made this a vibrant city. Dick's, Pags, and Ivars are a prime examples of the horrendous ignorance of the people who are "local" to this area. We need to keep pushing them into Kent, Shoreline, Burien, and Renton where they belong.
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Chris 02/21/2010 9:22:00 PM
Business card may read critic, but actual column reads "pseudo-journalist blogger". This is what happens when you replace professionals with new graduates that will work for free or close to it. They do no research, have no clue about their audience and then when someone calls them on it they further annoy people by being clueless as to why the "natives" are ripping them a new one for it.
All that aside, I think the strangest part was that the condescending voice of "I'm so much better than you Seattle," did not come from a Californian. We would have expected that. Californians have a long history of coming up here, acting like they've just been dropped off a plane in the Alaskan wilderness and proceeding to whine, complain and pronounce judgement on the uncultured masses. That is until they stumble upon something they can exploit, but that's a whole other issue, and it turns out this writer just arrived from the high class town of...Denver?
Seriously?
Denver????
Hope you have a probationary period....
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Leon 02/21/2010 7:37:00 AM
I have to hand it to all the commentators here -- this was HILARIOUS!!! I don't know whether we just don't need the 'Uptight Seattleite' columnist anymore, or whether he decided to ghost-write responses to the food column.
Either way, keep 'em coming!
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Osborne Cox 02/19/2010 2:22:00 AM
"Faux tough-guy hipster." Yeah -- it's Sheehan's ego that needs to be held in check.
And -- this is just a suggestion -- but some of you might want to avoid sounding like profane, sub-collegiate, egocentric "hipsters" when chastising someone else's writing for (allegedly) doing the same thing. A great deal of this invective sounds more like a bunch of whiny acid-tongued foodies pissed off that they aren't the ones with a book deal and a food critic gig.
You don't need a sophisticated palette to taste the bitterness here.
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TaylorB 02/18/2010 9:28:00 AM
I'm not sure, but I think this is (thus far) the worst of the pieces this faux-tough guy hipster has "contributed" to The Weakly. I also hope he was a better cook than he is a writer. Of course by even contributing a post here I guess I'm helping to feed his needy ego. Maybe he'll start writing more about food and less about himself...he and his life don't seem very interesting to me.
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Alex 02/17/2010 7:25:00 AM
So I'm wondering if Jason Sheehan moved here on his own volition or if he was run out of Denver?
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steven 02/17/2010 6:23:00 AM
I see the gentlemen from Denver are as talented at debate as they are in understanding the James Beard awards.
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MountainLyin 02/16/2010 4:37:00 PM
oh SIR steven, the agony from your misplaced and beyond juvenile attempt at geographic elitism. yeah, a single article. a simpleton such as yourself can equate it to winning the Oscar for Best Actor..THE BEST THAT YEAR. don't choke on that mussel shell, schmuck.
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The United States of America 02/16/2010 12:13:00 PM
Mr. Sheehan, welcome to my hemorrhoidal asscrack. The tapeworms that crawl around here are not familiar of kindness, they despise compassion, and have been expelled from where they came from seeking solace here. Just like the weather and landscape, my company is miserable.
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steven 02/16/2010 11:19:00 AM
Beard doesn't give an award for "Best Restaurant Critic in America." Jason won for a single article. But I wouldn't expect the reader from Denver to know any better.
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MountainLyin 02/16/2010 7:44:00 AM
oh my, so much venom being spewed by the faux uber-hip intelligentsia of SeaTown, and an unsettling portion of it geographic in nature. 'course, a great percentage of these types aren't even close to being natives..they hail from cool enclaves like, uh, Texas, Iowa, Tennessee, harharhar. just like Sheehan ain't from Denver, try New York. gee, apparently it's real hell only seein the Sun and Moon a few days/nights a year? and just to get y'all up to speed, Sheehan was honored with the prestigious James Beard Award by his peers as the Best Restaurant Critic in America in 2003, along with countless other accolades around the country over his career. but obviously here at land-locked altitude, we ain't smart enough to shuck an oyster. Fabulous job as always, Jason. I believe you have their attention.
such a refreshing breath of bay-spray from J. Kauffman aka Yawn.
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trans 02/16/2010 5:03:00 AM
Such are the pitfalls of living in a second tier city. The talented writers alla Jonathan Kaufman eventually move onto brighter pastures, and we are left with second rate hacks trying to make a name for themselves at the expense of true journalism. Jason Sheehan's "writing" is befitting of the Denver readers he caters to. That must be why he was so loved in that town. Intelligent readers in Seattle can see past the faux "edge" of Mr. Sheehan. His "voice" is no more original than Pagliacci pizza.
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gph 02/16/2010 1:51:00 AM
I'm glad to see that nothing ever changes in Rain City, even the awful service at Pagliacci.
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Really? 02/15/2010 11:04:00 PM
I really miss Kauffman. We get enough navel gazing reviews from the Stranger. Please keep your wanna be Anthony Bourdain hip traveler in a strange land observations to your diary, do some research, find interesting places to eat, and tell us about the food, so we might also check out said new and interesting places. What an extravagant waste of column inches to hear that Ivar's sucks and Dick's is great when your drunk. Get it together, slacker.
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pauline 02/14/2010 8:49:00 AM
Hey, in the term of the holy trinity, Pag, didn't even deserve to be in the running , both Dick's and Ivars, had been around at LEAST 16 years before, Pag opened, They opened in a fern,quiche bar era when fresh herbs were still new and exotic, If you want a classic pizza place ,try Northlake pizza. It's only several blocks from Ivars salmon house, Ivar probably enjoyed a pizza there, Many parents, and grandparents, that I know did, in their college years and after, A classis institution, it is ...far more derserving than PAG<
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jessie 02/13/2010 9:37:00 AM
"If you doubt his ability to ferret out great food in unknown locations or call out crap from food celebs resting on their laurels, just check the back catalog on the Westword website."
Mantonat, based on your comments, you think that Jason is the only person in Seattle capable of writing on food, or finding good food. Based on his choice to "review" 3 run-of-the-mill places that everyone already knows, he's not going to beat out anyone in finding good places.
BTW: Seattle has a huge coalition of excellent food writers and bloggers, and the writers in our mainstream papers are great, and cover more than just the mainstream restaurants. I just don't see Jason adding to the conversation in any relvant way (sorry, swearing and being all "macho" about working in the kitchen is NOT relevent when writing a review).
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LoveYourViaduct 02/13/2010 5:11:00 AM
Ah, I see there is an editor for this piece. Well, we call it the Weakly sometimes ...
Allow me (not I) to offer an alternative perspective of Dick's:
[i]this 56-year-old drive-in isn't making the greatest ones in the world. No one would expect it to. But what Dick's is doing is ...[/i]
Providing a memory of what Seattle was like in the '50s and '60s, the result of one man's masters degree project. Picture a few musclecars with fins and beaucoup horsepower rumbling around the periphery, and you get the idea. One of the decreasing number of surviving examples of Googie architecture, in what used to be known as the Jet City.
I don't eat that stuff anymore. At my age, if I'm doing cholesterol, I'm going to have something good.
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LoveYourViaduct 02/13/2010 4:52:00 AM
I understand you write out of necessity, Jason. Well, my English teacher (who was also handy around the kitchen) wouldn't hire you (or the Weekly editors either, if they cover the blogs) after seeing this:
'there would've been no anchor holding Laura and I at the table'
The correct first person pronoun for a direct object is 'me' and not 'I' - though I know how most Americans try to speak their native language correctly, I hear it all the time, but don't see it in print often. Or maybe you would say:
'no anchor holding I at the table'
- in which case, hold out your knuckles.
Another pet peeve of mine (duly licensed), I don't know how they drive in Denver, but here it's legal to make a left turn from a two-way street to a one-way on a red light. (Assuming no traffic coming - always good to check anyway.) Some otherwise forgiving locals have been known to honk over such an oversight.
Otherwise, enjoy your trek through Seattle's food maze. But too bad you missed Andy's Diner, The Doghouse, Dags, King Oscar's and a few other memorable institutions no longer with us. Those were the days ... Bon App�t!
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SeattleNative 02/13/2010 1:01:00 AM
Nice job. You really nailed what's good about each place.
Coupla pointers:
Ivars' clam chowder is great comfort food and their tartar sauce is just about perfect (not too sweet).
Pagliacci dine-in is for quick slices and salads; the pasta isn't what they're known for; call for delivery if you want the whole pie.
Dick's is beloved because their prices are cheap, their hours are long, and they don't do special orders. They haven't changed in 50 years. Dick's is authentic.
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SeattleGuy 02/12/2010 11:43:00 PM
Welcome to Seattle, kid...see previous comments for how it's going to be...
Having eaten the food of two of the three reviewed restaurants many times for many years, I'd say the reviews were right on...altho so was the comment about odering slices rather than a whole pie at Pagliaccis on the Ave.
Anyone who has been in Seattle for more than a week knows exactly what to expect from Ivars on the waterfront. The Salmon House is a different story and I'm always surprised at how good it turns out to be when I'm not expecting much.
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Mantonat 02/12/2010 11:30:00 PM
What really kills me about all the indignation is that the Seattle Weekly is supposed to be the city's alternative paper, yet everyone is upset that Sheehan doesn't play by the typical food critic rules. Shell out some bucks for the mainstream paper and bore yourself to death with the standard schlock.
I don't even live in Seattle and I'm entertained by his reviews and the reader reactions. Ultimately, SW is trying to increase readership, so if they can draw more hits to their website from out-of-towners while generating more interest in the pulp version, they've won the battle. Getting you to tune in every week is what it's all about. SW doesn't care if you hate Sheehan and his opinions, as long as he's compelling enough to get you to express an opinion.
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Elwood 02/12/2010 8:48:00 PM
I am laughing my butt off here in Denver (while of course drooling from my lack of education) at these comments. Write all you want about Sheehan's insistence on making himself the star of the show, but ain't nothing going to change. The dude even told you in his intro piece that he pretty much just writes about himself, food just happens to be the vehicle.
As a general rule when reading online, just skip the first two pages and read the actual food review in the final third. Even when abrasive and self-indulgent the guy is more right than wrong about places.
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Joe 02/12/2010 7:59:00 PM
Also, did you really average 64+ hours every week for nearly 15 years, per your intro? It sounds like that wouldn't leave enough time in the week to stroke your own C/e/O/g/C/o/K. Many people work a lot, but you sound way too self-important to give up so much me-time.
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Joe 02/12/2010 7:43:00 PM
Who the hell gave this no-talent hack business cards?
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kayjay 02/12/2010 3:30:00 AM
Mantonat, your points are taken, but which experience of his that we are subjected to re-live becomes the concern...I'd rather know more about the service, dishes other than the one or two things that he chooses to review, or even the cleanliness of the place - and you can tell me about all of that with as much wit and hyperbole as you care to muster - than some Uncle Rico garbage about his drug days, cotton head, numb tongue, and opinionated proclamations about the world's best burger and what makes for a landmark restaurant. But fair enough - some people need hot sauce on everything, I guess. The work I've seen so far belongs on Thrillist.com, and at least it's SW that is paying him by the word, not I.
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Mantonat 02/12/2010 12:40:00 AM
Yes, Sheehan picked up in Seattle where he left off in Denver - his reviews are autobiographical, his writing is full of hyperbole, and he manages to simultaneously piss off both ends, the lovers and haters of a specific restaurant. But really, isn't it a whole lot more entertaining than the usual "the delicate prawns were swimming in a subtle sauce of lemon and butter"?
If you want to know what food tastes like, get out there and eat it. If you want to read about food, no amount of purple prose will help you taste it, but a good writer will let you re-live his or her experience. I believe Sheehan accomplished just that in his first outing.
If you doubt his ability to ferret out great food in unknown locations or call out crap from food celebs resting on their laurels, just check the back catalog on the Westword website.
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MSG 02/12/2010 12:26:00 AM
This guy is a fucking douche with no palate and no spine. Go back to Denver.
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lucy 02/11/2010 11:40:00 PM
*sigh* A Bourdain-wannabe who writes more about himself than the food.
Please bring back Jonathan Kaufman.
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Jesse Hall 02/11/2010 11:19:00 PM
You know what? You all may be more educated than us yokels out in Denver because you picked up in one review what many people disliked about Sheehan's reviews in Denver.
His reviews are usually(almost always) more about him then what he is reviewing. Be prepared to hear about how much of a badass he is, how much he likes whiskey and how he used to do drugs.
The other thing he brings to the table and will be sure to do in time is the following; if Sheehan personally likes a chef (which in Denver many complained it meant kissing his keyster) he will give them a good review. Conversely, if you rub him the wrong way or try to be too much of a "hipster" (see his review of the Kitchen and/or Root Down in Denver) it doesn't matter how good your food is, look out.
He was destined to bring these bad habits with him to Seattle and I'm sure it will all flush out in time.
Oh my other favorite was how he anointed everything the "best" this or that. Problem was he said it about the same item at different restaurants.
Have fun Seattle. He is all yours
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Christina 02/11/2010 11:07:00 PM
Interesting start! When I saw that you were reviewing Ivar's, Pagliacci, and Dicks, I thought, "Oh boy. I hope this guy doesn't think Seattleites actually believe those places are great restaurants.
Then I read on and was relieved to see that your assessments of each place were pretty much spot-on: Ivar's: for tourists. Pagliacci: Good enough. Dick's: Beloved late night icon.
The thing is, we all know that. Or at least, you're not going to change anyone's minds about any of these places.
So I'm hopeful that, after having shown that you can accurately sum up a few restaurants that we all recognize, you'll go on to write about great new places that I haven't tried yet. Because that's the fun of reading restaurant reviews for me, not arguing with the critic.
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JJ 02/11/2010 10:05:00 PM
Nobody ever accused any of these joints of being Five Star. Nobody ever will. At least they're not Burger King.
My question is, what happened to all the Ivar's outlets we used to have? Besides the waterfront and the Salmon House on Lake Union, the only one I know about is the Ballard joint on 15th NW.
Did they ever replace the one blown out by development on Denny Way. Used to have a nice view deck and a big parking lot.
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mike 02/11/2010 8:56:00 PM
With the amount of praise Jason gets from his readership in Denver, one can only concluded that the education levels in Denver are far inferior to those of Seattle. Jason, drug references and the occasional curse word does not "edgy" writing make.
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kayjay 02/11/2010 8:55:00 PM
When I read your long and egocentric welcome-to-me piece a week ago, I held my tongue and figured that I'd give you a chance. Done, and boy, was that quick. While I am not especially concerned with your specific perceptions of these particular Seattle landmarks, what strikes me is the way that you appear to be setting a tone that you will now be feeding us chapters of an autobiography, with this fair city and its restaurants as your foils (I am not a born native, but a 26-year resident with the utmost respect and love). How fitting that for Chapter 1, following your Prologue, you would begin with easy marks, stage-setters for Jason's newest vision quest, good or bad. What I think will ultimately irritate readers about your writings will not be how you actually critique the establishments, the food styles or qualities, or the chefs' talents - it will be that you make it more about yourself than the restaurants. You are not bigger than the game, you are only a player in it. Ease up, know your role, find a humbler groove, and when you write for a weekly, tell us about the food we are considering or should consider - I am already pretty certain that I don't want to join you for the meal.
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realitycheck 02/11/2010 5:41:00 PM
I'll throw it out there (proudly)...I'm somewhat an Ivar's loyalist. However, I will say they may stumble at times along the way. That segment to the piece read like it was set up for failure (even from the very start that it was more happenstance than choice). Good job with your Google search of Ivar's to already set in motion these preconceived thoughts of dated, boring or whatever splashy words you wished to use. At times I did enjoy your style but again sometimes it was more splash than substance like you are writing for a book instead for the masses who are looking for a good critic -- who may wish to critique more than criticize. A bland fry -- come on, you are talking about cod. Try to fit in with the locals and shake things up a bit by trying the tartar sauce. Heck, people in this world will even salt and pepper to taste or go for a little vinegar essence (again it's cod that's why it's cheaper at the grocery store). So now that we have Pier 54 covered, which you didn't convey so well, you instantly fixated on supposed dated items on the menu at Acres. Wow, did you miss the fresh sheet and just spot check for something "old skool"? Did you try an app of clams or mussels (I like the green curry and lemongrass mussels and sop up the saucy goodness with the bread). Lastly, if you go this far to tip your hat to the locals by trying some of our local cuisine's mainstays, why not try the chowder? If you did, we don't know. That has been another of Ivar's staples for years. I'm afraid to say that your review will be dated and Ivar's will still be around to add to it's 70+ years. As I see it, it's popular with the 20 somethings (happy hour), Midwesterners (toss a fry to the seagulls) and good old grandma (anything fried). Tourist trap -- indeed during the summer (which I stay away from until I need my fix at the fish bar) and good luck to them and any waterfront restaurant in this economy -- go with what you know. But I also believe it does speak to locals, especially with the comment from oxymoron dude who says he/she stays away because it is a tourist trap but praises the happy hour (insert ironic drumbeat). I do want to thank you for mentioning the chicken stuffed with goat cheese. However dated, that sounds delicious! I'll wash that down with a gimlet, which surprisingly is back in style like many drinks of the past.
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Dan Sum 02/11/2010 9:33:00 AM
Yes very pedestrian for the first go-round. Not to mention no one is impressed with your drug use references. Talk about collegiate?
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Kari 02/11/2010 8:49:00 AM
So essentially, you found Pags better than chain delivery, Dicks to be ideal when you are drunk or stoned, and Ivar's menu to be dated and boring.
I don't disagree with you, and I don't think anyone who has lived here for more than a year would disagree with you. Hell, I don't think most Seattle high school seniors would disagree with you.
I guess I was just expecting a bigger first splash.
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02/11/2010 8:27:00 AM
So, "Joe" thinks Mr. Sheehan offends the natives, and "trans" thinks he is holding back to AVOID offending the natives. Hmmmm....
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trans 02/11/2010 7:47:00 AM
Pag and Ivars were spot on. Dick's was pure and utter bullshit. The problem with this "review" was your blatant pandering to the locals. It's obvious you could not write honestly about these 3 Seattle "institutions". Your attempt to throw the inbred locals a bone with your "approaching perfection" bullshit about Dick's is both ridiculous and insulting to anyone with a palate. Your words tell the story of a poor quality burger that is not worth the wax paper it's served on, yet you sing it's praises because you might have enjoyed it as a drunk or stoned college student? A critic needs to judge the food on the plate. You fail at this miserably. What you do succeed at is softening your opinion so as not to offend. You'll fit in here beautifully.
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jonathan 02/11/2010 6:00:00 AM
No one ever orders off the menu at Pagliacci either, you are supposed to just get slices and salad (or if you want a whole pizza, have it delivered).
I think I did try ordering the pasta once.
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anita 02/11/2010 5:16:00 AM
No Seattleite ever goes to Ivars, it's a place for tourists. There was no point in a critic going there (or any other Elliot Bay waterfront restaurant).
Dick's fries are ALWAYS limp and undercooked - it has nothing to do with the heat lamp. They're just bad.
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Duncan 02/11/2010 5:03:00 AM
Every native knows the waterfront Ivar's is an overrated tourist trap (albeit with a reasonable happy hour). I would have been more interested to read the transplant's take on the Salmon House instead.
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Jason Sheehan 02/11/2010 4:27:00 AM
Joe: Ain't here to endear myself to anyone, friend. My business cards say "critic" and that's what I do. Loyalty to native favorites isn't part of the gig.
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Joe 02/11/2010 1:40:00 AM
Way to endear yourself to the natives, jackass!
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Seely 02/11/2010 12:25:00 AM
As both the editor of this piece and a native Seattleite, I'll take the bullet here. But considering University Way's nickname is "the Ave," this is an easy mistake for even a native to make.
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Frank 02/10/2010 9:59:00 PM
"Pagliacci Pizza is what we found, the original location on University Avenue"
"University Avenue?"
Ahh, still new here, eh?