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Is Hip-Hop in Seattle Being White-Washed?

“Why is so much black talent in hip-hop getting passed over right now?”

Silas Blak isn't impressed by Seattle's top-tier rap figures of the moment. Since he's a rapper himself, one whose heyday was several years ago, it's easy to initially dismiss his grumblings as jealousy--or in rap terms, simple "player hatin'."

But Blak (born Mark Washington) doesn't have issues with the most visible figures in Seattle's rap scene because of their music, which he describes as "really good." According to him, his beef is more complicated, wrapped in layers of race and local politics.

Just like electric blues—another historically black art form which morphed into rock and roll—hip-hop reaches a vastly broader, and whiter, audience than ever before. The difference in Seattle is that some of the most recognizable figures are by and large non-black: Blue Scholars, Common Market, Jake One, Mad Rad, and the Saturday Knights.

It's a fact that makes rappers like Blak concerned.

"I really do believe the Northwest is not going to push strong black men in hip-hop," Blak says. "I just don't believe the message is welcome, or that the image is welcome. In Washington, the darker the face gets, the taller the boundaries are [within music]. My question is: Why is so much black talent in hip-hop getting passed over right now?"

It's an important question, especially since it's not often asked in public forums. That's part of the reason Denee McCloud of the Central District Forum for Arts and Ideas, a community think tank for issues concerning Seattle's African American population, recently organized a panel discussion to open up dialogue on the subject.

In a two-hour symposium Thursday night entitled "The Black Face of Hip-Hop," McCloud is bringing together key figures in the urban arts community to talk about the subject. In her eyes, it's something that needs to happen.

"I think dialogue and open communication is always good," McCloud says. "We're not saying that people should automatically have issues with race and hip-hop. But it's about having transparency and bringing the issue out into the open, and also celebrating the role of black artists."

Because Seattle's hip-hop community is multiracial, there are various artists of color who gain acclaim, but at the moment the majority of them (with the exception of Dyme Def) are not black.

Dave Meinert, who manages Blue Scholars and Common Market, is one of the evening's panelists. "I've worked in a lot of world-music circles, and hip-hop worldwide is more about being a voice for the oppressed people than it is simply about race," says Meinert, who's white. "That's whether it's in the Philippines or North Africa...or Cuba...or Europe. So if we're going to be talking about just a black-and-white thing, that's definitely a dated conversation. But as a voice for folks who are marginalized, then discussing it in those terms is worth it."

"Race is a funny thing in Seattle," Meinert adds. "People don't know how to talk about it."

Blak, who is also one of the panelists, agrees with that. "It's hard to put a finger on the problem," Blak says. "We never had a conversation when the brothers and the white guys actually sat down in one room and told the truth...about venues charging different prices for hip-hop artists to play versus rock artists...and everything. That's what I hope can come out of it: the truth. I know Dave Meinert, and I think he's a good guy. My question for Dave is: Why did you stop at Blue Scholars and say, 'Here's my money?'"

Meinert says that assumption isn't true.

"I didn't go out and try to manage any hip-hop group," Meinert says. "I didn't approach Blue Scholars or Common Market, they approached me. I'd work with anybody, but I also can only do so much. The reason I've stopped taking on other artists is to be focused."

George "Geo" Quibuyen, the lead vocalist of Blue Scholars, is conscious that his ethnicity, Filipino, sets him apart from black rappers in Seattle, and doesn't hesitate to admit that's benefited his group's career.

"For the record, I do acknowledge that fact," he says openly. "I'm not going to say that's the determining factor on why we've had a lot of success, but it is a factor."

Quibuyen's musical partner, Sabzi, is of Iranian descent. Blue Scholars have toured nationally, released music videos on MTVU, and regularly get booked to play festivals like Sasquatch and Bumbershoot while local black hip-hop acts such as Spaceman, Orbitron, and D. Black are left off the bill.

But at the same time, within the national hip-hop sphere there is a downside to the group's Filipino/Iranian heritage that local artists may not recognize.

"In one way, it really misses the point to lay blame on individuals like us when it's a systemic problem," Geo adds. "The mainstream expectations for hip-hop outside of Seattle are this archaic notion of an urban black face. And we don't fit that. So we're locked out too."

Terry Radjaw, of the all-white party-rap group Mad Rad, also has mixed feelings on the subject. After a blitzkrieg of local press—both good and bad, based on the group's controversial antics—Mad Rad has emerged as yet another non-black group snagging the limelight at the moment. And Radjaw knows his group has its detractors based on race alone.

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  • Atarynn 01/15/2012 1:54:00 AM

    Spekulation is awful, blue scholars KNOWN for f****int overbandmembers. HipHop in Seattle f***ing blows

  • 10/12/2011 2:18:00 AM

    How about this.... stop crying about color and step your game up

  • Fakeemail 07/14/2011 5:03:00 AM

    lmfao...did you learn that at the New KKK White Power meeeting?

  • kyozai 12/18/2010 3:39:00 PM

    This is what i have (mp3) Double Odd - West Coast Livin - 2000 (Seattle,WA) Nutcase - Curb Servin' (2001 Seattle,WA) F.T.S - The 4-Track Sessions (1997 (Seattle,WA Scum Life Ft Sober 2000 (1997 (Seattle,WA) Byrdie (from F.T.S.) - Poetic Epidemic (2001 seattle,WA) J.B.O.C. - Purgatory (1998 Seattle,WA) 151 - Drank No Chasa (1995 Seattle,WA Young Pit - Tha Chocolate Rednose (2003 Seattle,WA) MVP (Most Valuable Players) - The Game Of Life (1997 Seattle,WA) Cin'Atra - It'z Official (2004 Seattle,WA) High Heat - 1st Degree Burns (2000) [Seattle,WA] V.A - As The World Sleeps... It's Goin Down (1997 Seattle,WA) Silver Shadow D - Sleepless Tha Brikkks (1996 Seattle,WA) VA - Twomposix Compilation [1999 Seattle,WA] L.S.R. - Hold Tight 2 the Rhythm (1991 Seattle,WA F.T.S. (Full Time Soldiers) - Self Titled (1998 Seattle,WA) Five Hood Family - Compilation (1996 - Seattle.WA) Funk Daddy - Iwantallthat (2001 Seattle,WA) 5ive Ft. Giant - Calling All Thugs [1997 Seattle,WA] E-Dawg - Drop Top (Vinyl,12 1993 Seattle,WA) Crooked Path - Which Way Is Up (1998 Seattle,WA) Crafty - The Introduction (1997, Seattle,WA) Squeek Nutty Bug - Really Cheat'n (1997 Seattle,WA] Slicc Pak & Blacc Jacc - Game'z Over (1999 Seattle,WA) Lil Gene aka Mr. Sandman - The World Is A Cemetery (1996 Seattle,WA) D. Love - Show Me The Money (1997 Seattle,WA) P.O.T. - Da Funk N Revelations (1998 Seattle,WA) Mobb Tyght Hustlers - Self Titled (1995 Seattle,WA) Pork - Side N' On You (1995,Seattle,WA) 46th Street - On The Run (1999 Seattle,WA) M.A.D.D. - Taste Da Maddness (1995 Seattle, WA) Byrdie - Poetic Epidemic (2003 Seattle,WA) Chilly Uptown - I Got Rules (1988 Seattle,WA) Major Weight Media - Music Speaks Lourder (1997 Seattle,WA) Kid Sensation - Seatown Funk (1995, Seattle,WA) Kid Sensation - The Power Of Rhyme (1992, Seattle,WA) Litefoot - Good Day To Die (1996 Seattle,WA) Tony-O - Too Much To Lose (1999 Seattle,WA) Criminal Nation - Release The Pressure (1990 Seattle,WA) Untranslated Prescriptions Compilation (1995, Seattle,WA) S.C.U.M Life - Souljah'z Creating Underground Music (1999 Seattle,WA) Killa Shane - Sho Us luv (1998 Seattle,WA) Big Serg - It's A Dangerous Field (2000 Seattle,WA) F.T.S.- Money Motivated (2000 Seattle,WA) L.A. Stone - Life In The 206 bw Peace Is My Mission (199x Seattle,WA)

  • The Truth 09/29/2010 1:56:00 PM

    Seattle is the whitest major coastal city in America. It's REALLY REALLY white. Like the type of white that creates Starbucks and buys from boutique bookstores (I guess not so much anymore, it's more like the hometown Amazon). There are lots of pro's and con's to this. One con is that the hip-hop and basketball (for the past 30 years, two things that have been dominated by blacks) are not going to be mainstream. It's not racism, it's just that people aren't really exposed to that kind of stuff growing up here.

  • CISKO 09/24/2010 9:41:00 AM

    Race??? Really?? Not the fact that lyrically RA Scion is the best Mc? Come'on!!!!! If Blue Scholars and Common Market are there is cause they are what Hip-Hop needs son!!

  • ann hayes 06/26/2010 5:34:00 PM

    my comment is this every time a black person is left out the box he or she becomes creative.somehow we learn to turn lemons into lemonade.The slaves did it with old negro spirituals.later on came the blues,then we came with R&B,jazz,rapp and so forth and the white man always finds a way to steal it right from under us. it never cease to amaze me that everything that we do or come up with is labeled as "ignorant"until they learn how to do it or steal it.

  • Lurrell Low 06/18/2010 7:36:00 AM

    I am a Blk Seattle UP and Coming artist. Fuck race, its the product. Make Your opinion. I live here in Seattle in the Midst of all this shit. www.myspace.com/mrlurrelllow www.youtube.com/staylowtv www.facebook.com/ Lurrell Low www.twitter.com/@Lurrell_Low

  • n 11/25/2009 7:20:00 PM

    Seattle is a very white city, so: Seattle puts out a lot of white music, period. This article is counter-productive.

  • T. H. 08/13/2009 3:28:00 AM

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  • MixedMan 03/03/2009 1:49:00 AM

    Black people didn't invent anything. They have done nothing noteworthy. You know what, they shouldn't even be acknowledged! On the other hand, they're also the only ones who can rap. I'm rubber and you're glue! I'm not racist, you're the racist one! Rapper producers sample older artists so therefor the music is actually rock-n-roll! This makes perfect sense. The fact that people have such infantile viewpoints on all of this shows how much progress people still have to make in this country. Hey guess what? We're all products of Western culture! Don't get so defensive over it. Also don't try to connect really unconnected things (like rap coming from Scotland and then being derived from mid-century spoken word... try origins in Electro mixing with DJs who wanted to be even more of the center of attention when they had a mic.) I don't know why this article was even published as it's one of the more blatantly racist things i've ever read in the Seattle Weekly. Perhaps some ad revenue? Getting people interested? White, black, latino, asian, etc... anyone can rap. No one is purposefully overlooking specific rappers just because they are black.

  • Jeff 02/23/2009 3:31:00 AM

    Wait, so not only did blues come from white people but hip-hop/rap did too? Wow, I guess whites have invented every form of black popular music out there. I can guess you'll probably write next that whites invented R&B, reggae, soul/funk and calypso next. Get off it. Your inner-racism is showing.

  • Dooder 02/20/2009 11:31:00 PM

    Blues was not invented out of thin air by blacks. It is almost solely based on the �blues scale,� which is a variation of the minor pentatonic scale. These are scales that are part of the musical tradition of the West, not Africa. So we�re always lectured on the fact that �blues turned into rock n� roll� but we are never informed that �blues� evolved from a black interpretation of traditional white folk music.

  • Massa of Reality 02/20/2009 11:29:00 PM

    Groids ruin everything, period.

  • Jeff Wang 02/20/2009 10:50:00 PM

    Am I reading this correctly? Is the belief that, because Hip-Hop is a purely black construct, it belongs to blacks and should only be lent to whites and us other non-blacks so long as we never receive as much appreciation for our work? So everything's great so long as blacks are on top in the Hip-Hop scene but as soon as some white artists step up their game and manage to win that position through skill and hard work, it's instantly a case of hidden racism?

  • Tommyjoe 02/20/2009 9:34:00 PM

    Garfield High===My name is tommy joe and I Do know what your talking about, It was the same thing when I was growing up in Seattle. I know I was most likely one best Drummers to come out of Seattle---And that's 4real. Just do your thing and get better at what you do. In the Cd area we knew what was really happening. Just work at your art and reach that level and there's no more talking. While I grew I listen l and played the real stuff and that spoke for it self. I make beats that sound like today, but they are part that real stuff I'm talking about. We had a sound in my Hood Temple st . it was called. with the army camp up street--- remember that--HA!--Stay up Tommyjoe

  • Raje 02/20/2009 7:09:00 AM

    There should be a requirement in journalism that journalists actually have a clue about the topics they choose to write about rather than just regurgitate the same old nonsense they've heard elsewhere. Blues was not invented out of thin air by blacks. It is almost solely based on the �blues scale,� which is a variation of the minor pentatonic scale. These are scales that are part of the Western, not African, musical tradition. 90% of the music that came to be called "the blues" was from the Western tradition. American blacks were simply copying from the people among whom they lived. Rock n Roll was only partly blues other Americana traditions such as folk, bluegrass, etc. were amalgamated into it. Blues is 90% White, Rock n Roll is 99% White. Rap is simply a very old Western lyrical tradition popularly practiced in the Highlands of Scotland and brought to Appalachia by immigrants from that region. It was popularized by White "spoken word" poets in the middle of the last century. Blacks learned it from them. Given the amount of sampling, most of today's rappers do from rock n roll I would say that rap is 99.9% White.

  • hip hop sucks 02/20/2009 4:32:00 AM

    "Hip-Hop" is just a bunch of ape-like gruntings used by subhumans to get themselves in the mood to rape and kill.

  • m 02/19/2009 9:06:00 PM

    You know if this article was about how many more African Americans are being noticed into country music and less non "whites"; the article would be classified as racist. Learn to judge by talent and abilities not color and get over it.

  • Mozilla 02/19/2009 7:26:00 AM

    It's funny how sensitive the subject of race is. In 2009, I don't think that's a good thing at all. If black artists are being overlooked at the moment...or as this article claims, lighter skin artists are the face of hip-hop in Seattle right now, why be so quick to defend that? If it's true, discuss. It's almost like folks are letting their inner racism show.

  • Setlite 02/19/2009 6:44:00 AM

    Uhhh... and how many of these non-black artists will end up going on to get a major record deal with any of the major labels? Not too many come to mind... Concerning charging for hip hop acts, I'd be inclined to raise costs if the risk of a head stomping or a shooting was going to increase 10 fold.

  • turnip 02/19/2009 5:33:00 AM

    Seattle is roughly 6% black and the state 3%. There is your reason.

  • Cal Bear 02/19/2009 4:25:00 AM

    Let me guess. Silas got in your ear with his same old bitter victim identity bullshit, and you bought it because you're new in town. That's what it looks like to me.

  • BB Howard 02/19/2009 4:08:00 AM

    "Race issues are more relevant and important and worthy than gender." I'm not sure that is always the case becaues race and gender are very complex. However, I am disappointed not to see a female voice in this article. There is a complexity when dealing with race and gender with women of color who are often ignored in feminist/gender discussions. So, as a woman of color it isn't simply either race or gender but both. I did read that the panel has a female moderator and a female artist. So the moderator, a woman, will drive the discussion.

  • BB Howard 02/19/2009 4:07:00 AM

    "Race issues are more relevant and important and worthy than gender." I'm not sure that is always the case becaues race and gender are very complex. However, I am disappointed not to see a female voice in this article. There is a complexity when dealing with race and gender with women of color who are often ignored in feminist/gender discussions. So, as a woman of color it isn't simply either race or gender but both. I did read that the panel has a female moderator and a female artist. So the moderator, a woman, will drive the discussion.

  • Jonathan C 02/19/2009 3:48:00 AM

    Now THAT is a darn good point. I'm incredibly embarrassed that I didn't mention any female artists in this article! However, I sure as hell plan on writing profiles about some over the next couple of months. Hold me to that!

  • not male 02/19/2009 3:27:00 AM

    Yeah, it's all about "the brothers and the white guys" coming together. Screw the few women in hip hop, no one gives a crap about us. Like every other aspect of life, bros before hos. Race issues are more relevant and important and worthy than gender. Same old lame-ass story. Also: Mad Rad is frat-boy college rap. They represent NW Hip Hop? Lame!

  • Late July Music 02/19/2009 3:22:00 AM

    If the product is true, and catches the mind of the listener...it will do well. Regardless of the color of your skin, regardless of your religous beliefs, regardless of who you are, it is about the music. If the MUSIC is sub-par...then so your reception will be. Just because your skin color is a certain shade, does not mean that you will be owed anything. Fight the struggle, strengthen your skills, and you will win.

  • Sage 02/19/2009 12:49:00 AM

    So the fact that Tilson of the Saturday Knights is black, that Dyme Def is black, that half of Cancer Rising is black, that Gabriel Teodros is black etc, etc, etc. is lost in this discussion. There are a lot of white artists up here, there are also a lot of artist who aren't white or black, and there are a number of artist that are black. For the demographics being what they are in Seattle, black folks hold their own.

  • Pete 02/18/2009 11:01:00 PM

    Damn! Well, I'm glad somebody else said it. Rappers I know have been talking about this for awhile. But it's so obvious now, it's like, how can people not notice?

 

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