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The Atheists, Obama, and Me: Part Deux

In which the columnist, by popular demand, expounds further on religion, first ladies, and homophobia.

My column about Obama's inauguration and the atheist movement ("Not Praying Along With Obama", Jan. 28) got a lot of response. E-mails about it are still coming in daily, and some correspondents have asked for follow-up or challenged me to answer in print.

Really? Readers demand that the columnist say more? Well...OK.

It's actually been a good couple of weeks for the no-Godniks. Still excited by that "nonbelievers" shout-out in Obama's inauguration speech, they got another respectful nod from the new president at last Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast. Prayer Breakfasts, in my view, should go the way of smiley, deferential first ladies. But if the president is going to do it, he should be as inclusive as possible. And after eight years of contempt for science and rationalism, thank God (or thank Obama) we've got someone leading the country who will welcome and acknowledge people who have no interest in religion or prayer.

I needed to say that off the top because some readers seem to have mistaken me for an atheist-basher. Totally untrue. I'm a big fan of atheists. Some of my best friends are atheists. In fact, some of my best friends are religious atheists. (I'll return to that later.) My problem is with certain atheist activists and their very un-inclusive campaign—in books, billboards, bus signs, and Olympia holiday displays—against religion. That's where they go so wrong, and show a half-assed understanding of what religion is and can be.

This was certainly in evidence in some of the online responses to my story. Religions "make people stupid," declared bobxxxx. (No offense, bobxxxx, and I really don't want this to sound arrogant, but do you have any idea how many Jews have won the Nobel Prize?) "[T]he Christian religion encourages evil," opined Mark Hughes from Seattle. (And that's all?)

Some readers saw the piece as somehow a defense of religious "belief," and so set about trying to tell me how ridiculous these "fairy tales" are. Which is fine, but not really my issue. More to the point are the commentators who condemn religion's general effect on society, its blood-soaked history, and the insidious way people use a Higher Authority to justify prejudice and oppressive politics.

Religious dogma "continues to give us wars, pseudo-science, bigotry against women and gays, and dangerous presidents like George Bush," wrote Steve Wu from Seattle.

Those are all bad things, for sure. And religious leaders have a lot to answer for because of them. But what I find odd is the apparent belief ("faith," you might even call it) that eliminating religion would cure these problems. Where is the era or culture with no wars, pseudo-science, bigotry, or dangerous heads of state? Where's the evidence that abandoning religion ends hate and brutality—Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge? Soviet Russia doesn't seem to have been such a great time, either. I can "imagine no religion"—as that billboard on Denny Way suggested last summer—and it doesn't necessarily translate to peace, love, and understanding.

Why aren't the partisans of atheism bothering to tote up all the ways religion helps provide a more caring society? Why can't Dr. King be Exhibit A instead of George Bush?

It seems pretty obvious that what we have is a people problem, not a religion problem. It's people who are prone to tribalism, fear, and aggression, and their religion reflects that. Which is why—as noted last time—I don't blame Leviticus for the persistence of gay-hating. Religious fundamentalists have abandoned all kinds of stuff from the Bible as anachronistic and irrelevant. But they hang on to the homophobia for some reason. Apparently it serves them, comforts them. They want it.

One e-mailer from Seattle called this idea "absurd." "It is a case of which came first, and in this case it is clearly the churches who have hatched this rotten egg," he wrote. "If you have evidence of another, more credible, source for rabid homophobia, I would be interested in what it is. People are not born to hate and fear others. Hatred 'must be carefully taught' to be effective."

I don't happen to agree. But I think we can say for certain that while homophobia extends well outside the boundaries of the church, plenty of religious communities are huge supporters of gay rights. So clearly homophobia is what we need to be overthrowing, not religion.

Ironically, the anti-religionists are just too obsessed with God. They think that if they can just harangue everyone into realizing how stupid it is to believe in God, we'll all embrace...well, whatever it is we're supposed to embrace instead.

But God/NoGod isn't the only point of interest for religious people. Religion offers rituals for marking time and deepening our experience of life. It gives us a vocabulary for our aspirations. It provides connection to our ancestors and the ways they too mourned, celebrated, and struggled to make sense of the world. There are plenty of religiously involved people who do not believe in the historical reality of supernatural events and deities. But they find the tradition meaningful, a useful vehicle for passing on values and advancing social progress.

These are the people whom atheistic activists should be making common cause with. Creationist homophobes are a good whipping boy, but the atheists' fight against ignorance will be strengthened by people who love knowledge, progress, and religion.

mfefer@seattleweekly.com

 
  • Joel Swett 06/14/2009 7:21:00 AM

    I ran across your column today (it's the first time I've been to this site) and was pleasantly surprised.....in my opinion, you're right on target...Thanks.

  • Stephen Ebert 02/13/2009 11:59:00 AM

    Great response to your audience...but we got into...homophobia? "It is a case of which came first, and in this case it is clearly the churches who have hatched this rotten egg," he wrote. "If you have evidence of another, more credible, source for rabid homophobia, I would be interested in what it is." Easy, friend. Some people just don't like you. This is something you really need to get used to. I know homosexuals who do not like or accept a whole bunch of people. Like classic bigots...they are certain everyone needs to believe as they believe, there can be no other way.

  • kickeroe 02/13/2009 6:37:00 AM

    In response to Andy Marin of Atlanta: I doubt seriously that atheism has anything to do with Sweden's crime rate any more than Lutheranism had anything to do with their neutrality the last two hundred years. Some general points. While it's fashionable to take swings at religion, especially in Seattle a lot of ignorance inhabits the turf of the self-professed rationalists. Religious wars, if the bodies are tallied, count for only a % of the total killed. Romans, Mongols, Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot or Napoleon, the body count for nationalism, tribalism and political ideology matches or exceeds that of religious reasoning. It was Spanish Catholic theologians who put forth the proposition that all human beings have natural rights before God, an idea adopted by John Locke and other centuries later. In spite of the sometimes cruel Spanish conquests there is a large volume of writing by priests and bishops condemning the Spanish treatment of Indians. Who knows how many lives have been saved by Protestant and Catholic medical missions in the last two hundred years. Abolitionism, both in the UK and the US, was spearheaded by religious fervor; certainly they were amongst Lincoln's staunchest supporters. Black churches led the Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s. Religion can suck, suck bad at times. But even for atheists (or agnostic Catholic types like me) churches and their members can and have done good. I'm willing to cut those kind of believers some slack.

  • Salad 02/13/2009 5:50:00 AM

    How does a religious person decide what parts of their Holy books to discard and which to uphold? If the homophobe clings to leviticus because it resonates with what they believe is moral who's to say that's not the reason anyone believes anything in the bible? If interpreting the bible requires one to evaluate it against a moral theory of value then why do we need the bible at all? We seem to have morality independent of it. Humans invented morality. Not god. And we have different theories of value, hence different religions and denominations. There's no God who's going to come down and settle our ethical disagreements. There never has been. We'll have to do it like we've always done, through reason. There are a lot of positive cultural things about religion too. And meaning. But it's all humans creating meaning for themselves. It's beautiful. For this reason we shouldn't seek to abolish religion in it's entirety, but we need to start giving credit where credit is due. People created it. Not god.

  • Dick 02/13/2009 12:12:00 AM

    "Man(human) is inherently evil" provides the basis for this columnist's argument. Without religion human beings would descend into evil and chaos. Using the Cambodian Khmer Rouge and Stalinist Soviet Union as examples is specious at best. Both were totalitarian dictatorships ruled and controlled by single individuals supported by "true believers" in the philosophy. They both took their examples from the centuries of religious totalitarian rule dominant in "civilizations". Deity worship leads the historical record in human control based on the inherent evil of humans. Atheists reject the premise that humans are inherently evil or that any invisible entity controls human thoughts and actions. The historical record reflects the worst evils perpetrated on humans began and ended with religious beliefs. Blind obedience to any entity, human or invisible, results in the same totalitarian system dysfunction. The only truly communal systems were found in small tribal/family organizations subsequently destroyed by religious adherents to justify conquest for land. Atheists are the true patriots committed to the Constitutional Republic in this country. All others serve a false master to justify the continuation of evil deeds in the name of the religion and the country.

  • Gee-o 02/12/2009 7:47:00 PM

    Those Nobel Prize winners were all atheists--guaranteed!

  • carla 02/12/2009 3:54:00 PM

    Humans live for meaning and order. Patterns out of chaos, that's what we search for and that's what we cling to. Nothing to be ashamed of, that is how we had to develop in order to survive. However, we could benefit from some branching out of our thought patterns. Belief structures, religious or secular, tend to reward a "blind follower" mentality -- a neuro-bio-feedback loop of "God (or Darwin) said it, I believe it, that settles it.. because God said it, etc". You wrote: "we'll all embrace...well, whatever it is we're supposed to embrace instead." As a rationalist/humanist/atheist/agnostic I'd love to see humans favor outward-facing rational thought instead of inward/backward facing faith. I think we're more likely to thrive as a species if we can fully understand our physical place on this planet. Faith helps humans face death, faith comforts us during times of fear. Science and rationalism give us a better grip on survival, and a better chance to actually conquer those things we fear. Faith, and the societal signaling of belief values may be helpful for flocking/sorting behavior and reinforcement of cultural norms. But: Knowledge is power. Can we have both? Faith and Reason? Yes, of course we can and we do have that. Some of the world's top scientists are believers. Can people of faith survive without reason? (see Jonestown) Can rationalists survive without faith? (yes, but it's a bit of a cold existence)

  • JC 02/12/2009 8:32:00 AM

    You're dead on.

  • Andy Marin 02/11/2009 8:49:00 PM

    Non-theistic countries - try Sweden (I lived there for 8 months). Over 80% atheists - a number that gells with my experience living there. One of the lowest homicide rates and most successful countries in terms of GDP, Healthm, social contentment etc...

 

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