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Beware Your Desperation Stank

Dear Dategirl,

I'm an OK-looking 28-year-old guy. I've got a good career and a great social and family life. I'm nice—meaning I treat everyone with kindness and respect, whether I'm into them or not. I have great female friends who constantly tell me I'll make someone a good "wife." I've been single my entire life. I've had flings and dated, but never had a girlfriend. My last relationship involved some really great dates, but then she dumped me via e-mail. Girls always break it to me gently, and never really indicate why they're breaking it off. Mostly I hear, "I don't think I'm ready." I know I can be a bit clingy, but you try playing it cool when you're terrified you'll end up a crazy, lonely old man. I'm at my wit's end. I don't see anything changing, and I'm falling into a vicious cycle because my confidence is starting to suck. I'm tired of being depressed and don't want to be a burden to my friends anymore.

—Despondent Dude
Kirsten Ulve

Clang-clang-clang went my warning bell upon reading this sentence: "I know I can be a bit clingy."

It's natural to paint ourselves in the best light. We use words like "curvy" instead of fat and "aggressive" as opposed to overbearing. That you freely admit to being "a bit clingy" tells me this situation is worse than you think. I have no doubt that you, my new friend, are giving off the desperation stank.

Worse than the triple threat of Cheerio/coffee/cigarette breath, the eau de desperatión is smellier than a rancid burrito fart and more repulsive than a festering open sore. Nobody wants to be with the desperate guy (and I'm using "guy" only for your purposes—women can be just as desperate) for one very good reason: He makes us feel like we could be anybody. The desperate guy doesn't care who he dates. He just wants a girl; if she's got the right parts, she'll do. In fact, her best quality is that she'll go out with him.

Let me put it another way: Recall if you will that inspirational kitten poster your granny used to have hanging above the toilet: "If you love something, set it free." Like so many inspirational posters, that sentiment is absolutely true. The tighter you wrap your wrists around your date's ankles as she tries to walk away, the more likely you are to wind up with a stiletto through the eyeball.

I know you're worried about ending up alone; everybody is. The difference is that successful daters a) know how to hide it better, and b) have mastered the confidence game.

If you think about how you act when you're out with a girl whom you're scared shitless you're going to lose, you'll realize you're not much fun. I remember dating one really hot young man, and being so happy that he was probably going to have sex with me that I was pretty much rendered speechless. Sure, I spoke up to agree with him or laugh at his jokes, but that was about it. I was gutted when I later found out he was seeing a bunch of other women, but in retrospect who could blame him? I was this freaky mute who desperately wanted nothing more than to be wanted. I couldn't have been freakier if I'd stood outside his window howling "LOVE ME!" at the top of my lungs. The difference between you and me is that I got laid nevertheless, because men are generally less picky than women when it comes to shoving their genitals into strange spaces.

One more thing: Has it occurred to you that your female friends might be bitches? Saying you'll make someone a good "wife?" What the hell? If someone said that to me, there'd be trouble, because traditionally the "wife" gets the short end. You need them to clarify what they mean. Do they think you're a doormat? Their answers might provide you with the kick in the keister that gets you out of this rut.

dategirl@seattleweekly.com

 
  • Dan 10/21/2008 5:02:00 AM

    "Nice" has nothing to do with it. It is also a loaded word because every guy who is not happy with the way responds to him claims to be a nice guy. Being "nice" is actually irrelevent to the question of whether or not women like him. It has more to do with a combination of good looks, status/money and charisma. Also a guy's behavoir if defined more by a woman's reaction than the actual behavoir. If a good-looking guy really likes a woman and she acts uninterested/coy because she likes being chased, and he actively persues her, he is being romantic and proving he really likes and values her. But if another guy who really likes a woman and she acts uninterested because she and her friends pereceive him as a dweeb, then he is criticized for being clingy and desparate.

  • Soleil 10/19/2008 1:34:00 AM

    'Cause... cause.. oh... clingy is repulsive. 'Cause some women can tell the difference between a genuinely nice guy and a "nice" guy who is actually trying to manipulate. (Yeah, lots of nasty female manipulators out there, but that wasn't your question, stick to the subject!) Genuinely nice guys have plenty of women happy to step in if the one he's with goes away. My brother is like that, genuinely nice, and I can't stretch my imagination far enough (me! a science fiction reader!) to imagine him whining that no women are interested because he's too nice. That's too unreal! That's not a worry nice people have. That's for the manipulators who have some flaw so bad it repulses people. And they're gone blind, fooling themselves that they're nice. Peek at reality - nice people are well-liked.

  • Dan 10/18/2008 1:29:00 AM

    Here's an interesting related question: Why is it that if a man is arrogant, excessively jealous, a drug/alchohol abuser, a serial cheater, a liar, is emotionally insensitive, or is verbally/physically abusive, these qualities don't create much of an obsticle to getting a girlfriend, but if he's just OK looking and a bit clingy at times, or if he's been dumped a lot and he doesn't try to hide how he feels about it, that makes him untouchable?

  • James 10/17/2008 9:08:00 PM

    I think 'my female friends say I will make a good wife' is the buried lede. This tells me you have got to get a set of balls, man! You've got to toughen up. A good career and good social network is more than halfway to dating success. First, learn to cook. Men who know how to cook well don't sleep alone. Second, hit the gym. You sound more than a little soft around the edges. Third, find some cool activities that cool girls like (and don't mean book club) such as cycling or kayaking and pursue them. Take some classes and make some different friends. Forth, stop being so g.d. nice. Nice is good, but nice with limits is even better. Fifth, get some periodicals and actually read them. You had better have something interesting to say to all these new women you're going to be meeting. Sixth, get a good haircut, some cool new clothes, get your car completely detailed (or get a better one if it is a minivan or worse), clean your apartment from top to bottom, and spend a lot of effort on hygene. Get a cologne. Confidence is like beauty in that you can greatly amplify whatever you've got through your mindset and the way you behave. This isn't rocket science. You have to create the idea in their mind that you have got your sh*t together and you are worth being with, and woman like the idea that you have worked on yourself to impress them. Believe me, they are dieing to be impressed. There is nothing special about me, but i used these techniques to great effect, and after a while labouring to be that 'go to' person, I simply became that person.

  • kevin_m 10/17/2008 7:55:00 PM

    It's kind've true, though. Men pine away for that unattainable crush who'll barely exchange two words with them. Women pine away for that unattainable crush who'll ravage them and then barely exchange two words with them. So, what's better? To have shagged and lost than never to have shagged at all? Sigh. I guess I'll never know...

  • Scott 10/16/2008 9:37:00 PM

    This is mostly great advice if you're willing to listen to it. If you're happy with yourself and not tied to the final result of every encounter you have, you will be able to relax and have fun...women will then want to have fun with you.

  • Candela 10/16/2008 6:36:00 PM

    Really? You're 28 and worried about being alone already? That's because women don't like to feel as though they're a fill in the blanks. Try seeing the woman for the person that she is and stop looking at her as a solution to your problem, long term or otherwise.

  • boo_boo_reasons 10/16/2008 6:04:00 PM

    It would appear with all things being equal, females play game(s) and suffer for their positional strategy(S), with the majority exercising waiting or some silly action, for instance -- example as an attempt to positions themselves in front of a male so as to catch the eye of the potential mate. females have evolved! since when? you all know to shop, but have no clue how to get the right deal for a mate. PS note: your goods get tossed away within three years -- meaning your relationship life expectation with a male is around three years. Then after 35 years of age -- only the desperate lonly breeder desires your shtick

  • Zieglinda 10/16/2008 4:45:00 AM

    One good thing to learn is the art of being alone. If you can be by yourself and be happy, the stress level in all your relationships goes way down--because your expectations or hopes are more reasonable, you start having more fun finding and being with people you enjoy, and you become a much more fun person to be with. And if you can't do that, learn to fake it. Really.

  • Brand 10/16/2008 2:29:00 AM

    You're 20,000 years old and still clueless and bitter? Yeah, men are less picky. Being a bit picky spares you from some real wingnuts though. At least she doesn't send hate mail demanding that someone salute her genitalia like the lulu hate stuff the bottom dwellers send her. Maybe she got laid nevertheless also because she was decent, unbitter, articulate, intelligent, and possibly more fun and interesting than she felt at the time.

  • The Other Leanne 10/16/2008 1:59:00 AM

    Dude, you are 28, too young to worry about ending up old and alone. You should only be worried about getting as much experience as you possibly can and being entirely happy with yourself. Better to end up old and alone than with someone-anyone-pleease because you were desperate. Trust me on this.

  • Bob 10/16/2008 12:50:00 AM

    I really feel for you, Despondent. I'm stuck there too and have been for years. It starts when, for whatever reason, you hit a dry spell and you're a bit desperate. Just like Dategirl says, women can smell you're desperate and won't have anything to do with you (well, at least the non-psychotic ones won't). So you get *more* desperate. Wash, rinse, repeat, and the cycle never ends. The only thing I can add to what Dategirl already said is that it sounds like you need to work a bit on being happier with yourself. If you think ending up alone is so bad, maybe you need to think about why that would be so awful. Single people can lead very happy and productive lives.

  • James Early 10/15/2008 11:11:00 PM

    Wow We just stumbled onto the answer to the age old question "What's the difference between men and women?" Women will always be able to say: "I got laid nevertheless". It was worth waiting 20,000 years for the answer to that one.

 

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