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A few months ago I met a fantastic guy at work. We have tons of fun together and have very similar senses of humor. He has, in fact, the perfect personality to complement my own. We've become quite good friends, but I've been keeping him at arm's length romantically. The reason is, I decided several months before I met him that I was going to move to California. This is set in stone and is less than seven weeks away. I've made up my mind, my bags are pretty much packed, and yet I can't seem to shake these feelings for this guy. I've been in a long-distance relationship before, and I honestly never want to go through it again. I really want to be with him, but feel like it would be shooting myself in the foot to get closer to him now. Should I throw caution to the wind and lose myself in a potentially amazing relationship for a few short weeks? Or should I keep the emotional walls up and leave the state more unencumbered but with that nagging question of "what if"?

—Smitten in Seattle

Do you know how often "potentially" amazing relationships materialize into "actual" amazing relationships? Hardly ever. So why are you sweating this? Chances are he'll do something to piss you off before you even get to the heavy-petting portion of the evening. And, on the off chance he doesn't get on your nerves, you'll have a great seven weeks of red-hot sex. Where is the downside?

Maybe it'll be so great you'll rethink your move. Or he'll decide to follow you to Cali. You don't know what, if anything, will happen, but that's no reason to sit around wondering. So quit being such a chickenshit and make with the ass-grab. Time's a-wasting.

I'm 30 years old, good-hearted, intelligent, ambitious, attractive, passionate, and fun to be with. I've been in Seattle for five years—about 3.5 of those years I've spent single. I am continually baffled by the women here. Here's the scenario: We have a first date. It goes well. Maybe there are a few more great dates, sometimes we have sex or at least passionate make-out sessions, and then—WHAM!—they fall off the radar. I call a day or two later to set up the get-together. Because nobody in this town ever seems to pick up their phones, I leave a voicemail. Most don't even return the call. Either I'm doing something wrong, or most women in this town are either emotionally damaged, unavailable, players, or flakes. I've never experienced this level of BS in other towns. Can you provide some insight?

—Throw Me a Frickin' Bone

You know what would happen if a guy didn't call me back after we'd had a great date? I'd wonder what was wrong with me. I'd wonder if I were too fat, too ugly, too foul-mouthed, too [insert deficiency of your choice here]. So did you ever consider that it might be you? You probably didn't, because when frustrated dudes write me, they're always quick to blame us dames, like there's some lady conspiracy designed to thwart their game. They claim Seattle women are too uptight, too flaky, too passive—I could go on and on, but what purpose would it serve? Women are flawed, just like men.

So quit with the blame game. The successful dater needs to develop a thick skin, otherwise bitterness seeps in and bitter boys never get laid. You've been having a bad run, and need to work on your attitude before you get out there again. And if it's any solace, I get identical letters from women complaining about freaky/flaky Seattle men all the time. I suggest everyone lighten up a few shades.

dategirl@seattleweekly.com

 
  • Dan 08/15/2008 7:30:00 PM

    I don't think it's just Seattle. If you read relationship boards on the internet, or Dategirl-style columns from other areas, you'll read the same complaints. I think that when you move from an area where you have an established social network to a place where you know relatively few people, you're likely to have a tough time socially at first. Unless your're highly desireable to the opposite sex (great looking, lots of money, etc.) then romantic relationships are more difficult that friendly relationships. I just know that I'm from another area and I perceived women there to be just as flakey as what the original letter writer describes.

  • A Guy 08/13/2008 1:19:00 PM

    What sad irony that Judy�s response to Bone is the same rude flaky attitude that he�s summoned up the courage to inquire about in Seattle women. Small wonder the first thing that comes to her mind is to blame the victim here, and suggest that he�s too fat or ugly to be dating women in this city. Never did it enter into the realm of possibility to confront the all-too-well-known elephant in the room � Seattle�s overarching social retardation. No, Bone, you�re not the only one having to face Seattle�s lame dating/social scene. I�ve lost count of how many women have scowled at me and my friends here for a simple �hello� � but enough to make most guys stop making an effort. And, like you, this phenomenon is limited to Seattle. Flirting/dating/socializing in any other region comes by very easily for me. The problem is not isolated to social pariahs as Judy hints. There are no simple answers about the prickly Seattle attitude. Is it the weather? Is it the culture of its inhabitants? Is it the transitory nature of the residents? Maybe it's the giant LA-sized egos produced from everyone telling us what a great city we've got. So, Bone, you could probably use some helpful input here instead of being told you're the reason Seattle women are strange. The bottom line is that you have to think outside the proverbial box. If you keep going down the same path dating Seattle women, it sounds like it will only lead to more misery. So try dating people outside your traditional comfort level: Move your acceptable age bracket out a notch or two. Try a different social clique. Take up a long distance affair with someone in Olympia�or Portland. Regardless, you gotta try something different because you�re not going to change the Seattle scene.

  • Throw Me a bone 08/13/2008 5:46:00 AM

    Thanks for printing my email. However, due to editing my query, your response didn't really address the core of my question. That is: why cant women here be truthful and tell you where you stand? Its pretty lame to make plans then to not carry through on them with no explanation. Its a total flip-flop. They act so interested and engaged one day, and then a day later they don't return my call. This is what perplexes me. I am trying to understand this behavior. Why can't people be straightforward? I'm not bitter. I know there are some cool chicks out there. Sadly, most of them are taken, but I keep searching. Of course I ask myself, "What am I doing wrong?, or "what is wrong with me?" But, like I said I carry no red flags. And suppose I did. Why would they act like they are having a great time, make-out for long periods of time, etc, if they see a red flag? The only thing I can think of is that I make about $30000/yr. Does that make you think red flag? I'm not out there looking for high-maintenance women. again, my entire email that I previously submitted: Dear Dategirl, I�m 30 years old, good-hearted (but no wussie), intelligent, working towards my ambitions, make enough to support myself (but not live glamorously), very attractive, passionate, and fun to be with. I�m looking for I�ve been in Seattle for five years. About 3.5 of them I have spent single and dating. I am continually baffled by the women in the dating scene here. They seem incredibly flaky. The only relations that go a month or more are when I meet a girl as friends first. If we connect via a traditional dating situation: a bar, online, or we connect in a public place coffee shop, music show, etc a weird sort of game ensues. Here�s the basic scenario: We have a first date. It goes well, sometimes very well. Maybe there are a few more dates, we have fun, sometimes we have sex or at least passionate make-out sessions, and them WHAM!, they fall off the radar. As far as I know, I don�t carry any red flags, at least no one ever mentions any. Often, at the end of a date, we talk about making another one that next week. I call a day or two later to set up the get-together (god forbid I call it a date, that�s too forward apparently), I have to leave a voicemail, but they don�t even return the call to say yea or nea. I don�t call ten times a day or even every day. So WTF is up with that? This has happened to many of my other male friends as well. There are only two conclusions I can draw: A) Somehow I am coming on too strong or B) The majority of women in this town are emotionally damaged and unavailable, players, or flakes. I don�t want to be jaded, and I keep throwing my hat in the ring, but I feel like I am wasting my time anymore. I�ve never experienced this level of BS in other towns. Can you provide some insight as to what the ladies are thinking and feeling? Maybe there is some key I�ve been missing. Because I am left scratching my head. Thanks, Throw Me a Fricken Bone

  • crash 08/10/2008 3:02:00 AM

    "I decided several months before I met him that I was going to move to California. This is set in stone and is less than seven weeks away. I've made up my mind, my bags are pretty much packed, and yet I can't seem to shake these feelings for this guy." DON'T LEAVE! THIS COULD BE THE REAL THING. YOU'D BE GIVING UP A CHANCE AT HAPPINESS. Besides, we're too damn crowded down here and don't want you or anyone else moving here so, stay home.

  • kitschnsync 08/07/2008 10:30:00 PM

    Zieglinda (and Dategirl), I don't think it's fair to characterize Bone's impression of Seattle women as unfounded. He's working from his own experience, yes, but there has been plenty of writing and online discussion of the phenom known as the Seattle Freeze. People really are more standoffish and reluctant to attach here. It's an unfortunate cultural quirk of living in this town. I don't think it's limited to women, though. The guys here are just as aloof. Folks might move to Seattle for the gorgeous surroundings or the (relatively) stable economy, but they never move here because of the warm nature of its inhabitants.

  • Dan 08/07/2008 8:13:00 PM

    Judy may be correct. Maybe it is him. But how can he learn what it is about him that puts women off? I could have written that letter before I met my wife at age 33 (after more then a dozen years of frustrating dating experiences). During my 20s I rarely made it past the three-date mark, and I never had a relationship lasting more then three months. Since many other people didn't have the problem, I knew it had to be something about me. But what? While I didn't beleive myself to be perfect, I knew well from observing people around me and from reading advice columns all my life that lots of men find girlfriends and wives despite having horrendious flaws I didn't have (excessive drinking, drug abuse, extreme jealiousy, lying, cheating, irregular employment, etc.). So what was it about my that made me even less dateable in my 20s than the men I refer to above? I didn't have a clue, and to this day I still don't. You might suggets asking a female friend, or perhaps women I've dating. But most women seem too concerned about not hurting someone's feelings to give honest answers or feed back. I was told more than once by women that I would make a wonder husband for someone (else), or that there was someone out there for me. Maybe that was true, but if I was told at 23 that I would have to spend 10 more years geting the runaround from women while my friends were busy getting laid or getting married, that wouldn't have been a satisfying answer. Do the question is: How can someone who's having trouble dating learn what it is about them that's causing the trouble?

  • Zieglinda 08/07/2008 4:27:00 AM

    You gave exactly the right answer to Mr. Bone. The women he's dating are probably picking up on that "women are the problem" vibe first thing, and running for their lives. He didn't mention this part, but if he thinks Seattle women are so different than women elsewhere and complains to you about it, I imagine he might be complaining to his dates about other things here that don't measure up to wherever it is he comes from. I personally find that attitude very off-putting and annoying.

 

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