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The War Vet Generation Gap

Camaraderie is in short supply between Iraq returnees and older veterans.

Gulf War vet Julie Mock heads a VFW-like group whose membership is limited 
to veterans of modern wars.
Kevin P. Casey
Gulf War vet Julie Mock heads a VFW-like group whose membership is limited to veterans of modern wars.

Late last year, suffering from sleepless nights and depression, a Bellingham veteran named Mike recently back from Iraq put an ad on Craigslist. "To all OEF or OIF vets," he wrote, desperate for contact with others who had served in either Operation Enduring Freedom (the war in Afghanistan) or Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Mike (who requests that his last name be withheld because he might go back to Iraq with a military contractor that frowns upon media interviews) had been down to the local Veterans of Foreign Wars post, and had opened up to a few of the Vietnam vets who primarily populate the place. "It's really hard to get support from a Vietnam vet," Mike says, having felt from them a certain jaundiced view of the suffering experienced by younger vets. "Yeah, you're screwed," they'd say. "That's never going to leave you."

"You're telling me I'm going to be having nightmares for the rest of my life?" he asks, mimicking a typical conversation.

"Absolutely," they'd say.

"You don't want to hear that," Mike says.

It was the smell that Mike couldn't put out of his mind: Once he walked into a trauma center right after an air raid and caught the aroma of burning flesh, thereby acquiring the unwanted knowledge that a baby's decaying body smells sweeter than an adult's.

Though he didn't end up starting his own support group, Mike began attending a newly formed group counseling session at the Bellingham Vet Center. He also joined a local chapter of a national organization called Veterans of Modern Warfare, open to soldiers returning from the current conflict as well as from the first Gulf War.

VMW is one of a handful of groups that have sprung up recently to cater to younger vets. In part, they owe their existence to what VMW president Julie Mock calls "a huge generational difference" between today's veterans and those of prior wars. And while traditional groups like the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars say they are trying to attract returning soldiers—essentially to save themselves from extinction—they aren't having much luck.

In part, the issue is simply age. "It's useful to remember that we're much older than World War II vets were when we came home," says Rick Weidman, executive director for policy and government affairs at Vietnam Veterans of America. Whereas Vietnam vets faced a 20-something–year gap with the World War II set, the Vietnam War ended 33 years ago. Weidman says his group discussed whether to open its rolls to current veterans, but decided instead to mentor VMW, which his organization considers its "heir."

Over lunch at VFW Post 2995 in Redmond, one of the larger affiliates in the Seattle area, Mock tells of first walking into the place seven years ago looking for "some fellowship from people of my generation." A 41-year-old, auburn-haired Woodinville resident, Mock served in the Gulf War and subsequently developed symptoms consistent with Gulf War syndrome, including tremors, rashes, and a diagnosis of atypical multiple sclerosis.

But that fellowship "really wasn't happening," she says with a laugh, nodding at the roomful of elders. At tables on either side of her are patrons with walkers; a flyer by a small dance floor advertises an upcoming performance of the "Foxtrot Orchestra"; and in a side room, two octogenarian World War II vets are playing pool.

The attitude toward women Mock encountered from the older set didn't help either. She says a woman working in the kitchen on that first visit asked her if she wanted to join the ladies' auxiliary, which comprises military daughters, wives, and grandmothers. "I said, 'No, I'm a veteran,'" Mock recalls. "She said, 'I am too!'"

Two years ago, Mock helped found VMW, a spinoff of the National Gulf War Resource Center. Mock wants VMW, with 700 members and 14 chapters around the country, to become certified by Congress as an organization capable of filing benefit claims on behalf of veterans, something she feels can be done best by people who served in the same war and "know what to look for." In the current conflict, that means post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injury, and, according to Mock, sexual harassment suffered by female soldiers.

"We're not trying to steal anybody's thunder," says Brandon Freitas, a VMW member in Pullman. Rather, the 35-year-old former Air Force captain can't conceive of older veterans relating to the experiences of modern soldiers. For one, he says, today's war is urban. Vietnam, by contrast, was fought in the jungle.

Technology also plays an unprecedented role. Freitas says he served at the Central Command base in Qatar, where he was surrounded by computer screens and eight 5-foot-by-5-foot video monitors that constantly streamed images from high-tech surveillance equipment. Freitas' job was to keep tabs on the entire Middle East and alert bases when missiles from either Iraq or nearby countries were detected. "If I was to sit down and tell [older vets] what I did, they wouldn't begin to understand what I was talking about," he says.

Mike Colson, a counselor at the Seattle Vet Center who provides outreach to returning vets, says there's another barrier to intergenerational camaraderie: the competitiveness of military culture. A while ago, when the death toll in Iraq was lower, he says he witnessed a Vietnam vet say to a returning soldier: "You guys haven't even lost 3,000. Shit, we lost that in the Tet."

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  • Chadd 04/29/2008 4:50:00 AM

    Kudos to you Julie for starting this org. Most veterans of these recent times know that those clowns in the traditional veterans organizations could give a rat's dump about them. Heck, just as the WWII veterans blamed the Vietnam veterans, not the media or politicians for losing that war, so do these bigot SOBs blame us for the difficulties we've encountered and indeed wish us an eternal damnation burning in hell!

  • Rob 04/25/2008 5:54:00 PM

    It's good to see that returning vets are seeking out and organizing. I am a 24 yr vet of the Navy and served during the Gulf War and OEF and OIF. I suffer from nightmares, depression and the feeling of isolation. From my standpoint as a sailor serving on ships, I fee like I don't have the right to comlpain and those who were in direct combat come first. It doesn't make the nightmares that over 20 years of service can bring. I have seen smelled and tasted the tragidies of war and conflict too. Where does a guy turn to? I am a member of the VFW, American Legion and the DAV. It's hard to walk through life trying to cope with society.

  • Rick Stelter 04/19/2008 6:13:00 PM

    Hey, this is what has happened since forever. I'm a V.N. era vet, and when I came back, I was told I didn't really serve in a war, so I could join, but wasn't really going to "fit in". I had visited both my hometown VFW, and Legion, and was not very welcome at the Legion either. The WW2 and to a lesser extent Korean vets were just protecting their turf against us long haired disgruntled, non-rah rah my country right or wrong types. Now in my later years, I can see how threatened they were by us. Bethat as it may, both organizations still embody the worst of the old My country right or wrong mindset. Instead of helping our returning vets, they continue to wave the flag for the wars, back an administration that cuts veterans benefits, and continues to screw veterans at every turn. They have forgotten that the origional mission was to advocate for veterans, not pander to polititions that refuse to support we that served.

  • cookie 04/19/2008 1:57:00 AM

    my heart breaks both ways, reading this article. i so very much admire those who are trying to pull together a supportive organization for today's returning vets! on the flip side, i'm saddened that the younger generation feels the necessity to do so. sure, there will be codgers who try to *one-up* on the experiences, pooh-poohing the current war as not as significant as "theirs" were. but there will also be an abundance of knowledge, empathy, welcome, warmth, and love from some of them ol' crusties, too. please don't forget or disregard that. some of the most valuable lessons and help comes from those who have been there, even if their "there" is not exactly the same as yours. it's when ANY group sets itself apart as unique, different, "others won't/can't understand" that division deepens and the chasm widens, often to the point of no return and worse, to the detriment of BOTH sides. i am personal witness to one, my very own(although i'm only an Auxilliary)American Legion Post that indeed has young'uns counted lovingly among us. these lil' ones, as i like to call 'em, seem to thrive on our attentions. it's a give&take both ways. i hope&pray that all Post homes envelope returnees with love, as ours does.

  • Julie Mock 04/17/2008 9:24:00 PM

    I believe that Mike from Bellingham is referring to his feelings of isolation -- and that he needs to hear some hope that his situation will get better. Hearing the opposite brings a feeling of dispare, which tends to make a body feel alone and unsupported, right? No one would take away the reality of another vet's experience, but the only reality you know is your own and that of the guy/gal who served beside you. And that's true across all generations.

 

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