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You're Not the Only One Who Wants Earlier Shows

And the Sunset understands that.

When esteemed journalist Ann Powers first moved to Seattle from New York for her stint as a curator at EMP (she's since left for a post as pop culture critic for the L.A. Times), she asked me why weeknight rock shows started so late in Seattle. Being used to the standard 10-11-12 set time structure that most clubs followed, I had previously thought nothing of it. I was surprised when she told me that rock shows in most other major cities—including New York and Los Angeles—started earlier.

Since Powers' observation, many other journalists, fans, and musicians have complained to me about the strange tendency of Seattle clubs to push headliner set times as late as midnight on weeknights. It would be easy to chalk this kvetching up to an aging demographic saddled by parenthood and careers, but even as someone who is blissfully free of both children and any obligation to rise before 10 a.m., I can still understand the desire for more reasonable start times.

"I have been complaining about this for years," says photographer and freelance journalist Dagmar Patterson. "When I was younger, I still wanted earlier start times. I would see practically anything if it started at 8." She also makes a good point about the way this impacts touring bands. "It's not always fair to the musicians, who travel long distances to play sometimes nearly empty venues around 12:30 at night."

"This is an issue long overdue," agrees Downpilot frontman Paul Hiraga. "If we can stop smoking in bars, then surely we can edge set times a bit earlier. The Tractor keeps things on the early side, and I think it benefits everyone there."

Steven Severin, Neumo's owner/agent and co-booker for Chop Suey, says that tailoring set times to the crowd and genre is key. "It's gonna vary depending on the show, promoter, and the artist," he explains. "Indie rock is earlier, but electronica and hip-hop crowds come out later. Agents want it to be earlier, because they know people are only going to stick it out for so long."

For evidence that there's a big draw for earlier rock shows, look no further than the enduring success of the Sunset's 4 O'Clock Rock series, which celebrates its three-year anniversary this Sunday with Neutralboy, Neon Knights, Artimus Maximus, and 9 LB Beaver. Originally founded under the moniker 4 O'Clock Punk Rock by the Funhouse's Brian Foss in 2002 (with help from local musician and impassioned early-show advocate Jimmy Flame), the matinee series had been dormant for more than a year before it was resurrected with great success by multitalented music industry veteran Jenny Bendel in 2005.

Inspired by the matinee shows that CBGB's had in its heyday, Bendel's shows feature local and touring punk, metal, and hard-rock acts bashing it out from 4ish until 8ish, with Bendel both booking the shows and pouring red beers during them. "4 O'Clock Rock is kind of like my guilty pleasure—every week I get to be a 15-year-old again," enthuses Bendel, a Seattle native who did hard time in the early-'80s L.A. music scene, writing for RIP magazine and doing publicity for a huge cross section of big names, including Radiohead, New Bomb Turks, Ice T's Body Count, and Pantera, before returning to the Northwest in the late '90s.

Bendel also views her afternoon "living-room shows"—which have featured the likes of Honky, the Golden Gods, Mos Generator, DragStrip Riot, and the Dwarves' Blag Dahlia—as an opportunity to fill an overall void in Seattle's swiftly changing scene. "It's fantastic that now Seattle is the kind of town where you can go see a great band on almost any given night," she says. "But with so many venues and so many options, I worry that there isn't the kind of support that made this town's vibrant music scene in the first place. I'd like to see a return to that sense of community, and I hope that 4 O'Clock Rock does a little something to help that."

rocketqueen@seattleweekly.com

 
  • Quispy 06/12/2009 11:20:00 PM

    Can we revive this topic please? Neumos doesn't seem to be doing any better. It's the inconsistency that kills all of us. Showbox market, Tractor and Triple door are all the reliable ones. Chop Suey, Neumos and Crocodile seem to have no set rules for how things will go.

  • jiff 04/26/2008 12:25:00 AM

    I sure hope there are more matinee shows. How much alcohol a bar sells is more a function of how long they're open with live music playing than how close to 2 AM the music ends, especially on weekdays when primary drinking hours for 8-to-5 workers is right after work. Never understood why the bands started and the bars opened so late,,, *after* the prime drinking hours for those that have to work the next day. Been to many weekday shows where there's very little bar sales after the first round and the opener, too often not starting until 9:30, has way more audience than the headliner, that usually doesn't get going till my bedtime.

  • Travis 01/22/2008 9:14:00 AM

    I'm really surprised to read this article. When I moved here in 2000 from Austin, I was pleasantly surprised to find that headlining shows here started so...early. My experience was that the headlining band was always expected to be playing at 1:45AM for last call, so they'd typically take the stage around 12:45AM. Opening acts would go on at 10:30PM at the earliest. As long as the income stream which "live music" venues depend on is alcohol sales, there's little incentive for shows to start early or stick to a schedule. The longer people sit in a bar, the more likely they are to buy more drinks.

  • Chris Price 01/08/2008 10:32:00 PM

    I totally agree. Earlier start times make total sense during the week. Having just "headlined" at the High Dive last Thursday and playing to a handful of people and staff I'd love to see this happen. We were originally scheduled to go on at 10 but we were bumped and most of the people that came to see us took off before our set which started around midnight. By the way. There is another real issue brewing around the scene with the "pay to play" organizations going around. They're really taking advantage of bands. I'd love to see an article about that. Chris Price www.myspace.com/kingsofthewingpeople

  • Rev.Pope Biscuits 01/03/2008 6:05:00 PM

    Props to Jenny for keeping the flame of 4 O'Clock Rock burning brightly! One of the best rock institutions in the free world. And contrary to Matt Groening's accolades for "deb"; it is, in fact, Jenny Bendel who is the queen of everything.

  • 1234 Rich 01/03/2008 7:23:00 AM

    Jenny RULES!!!! 4 O Clock Rock is the best regular music event in Seattle. Support your local music scene, or watch it wither and die! You've been warned... XOXOXO

  • Joe 01/02/2008 11:26:00 PM

    I always just chalked this up to the clubs wanted to make more money on boos by stretching out the night as long as possible. Call my cynical... ... I would rather pay 10 bucks more for a show and just get it on already. It's been easier to since the smoking ban though and hasn't bothered me quite us much. Before , it was so ridiculous standing around breathing second hand tar, shooting the shit and drinking until the appointed hour.

  • Phil 01/02/2008 9:41:00 PM

    Another thing to consider is that many bus routes close down relatively early, and when I'm out drinking and listening to music, I sure don't want to drive home afterwards. The only alternative, a $40 cab ride, makes it too easy to decide to just stay home. Sure, I could just not drink, but who's going to do that?

 

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