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McCaughey: I remember when you were talking to [Wilco's Jeff] Tweedy and you were like, "The Swans are the best band ever; the best show ever," and all this stuff.

Rieflin: Yeah, Tweedy and I really bonded on the Swans. Michael and Jarboe [also of Swans] came and stayed at my house when I was moving out, and we recorded Drainland. It was a solo record of his; he and Jarboe and I made that record in an empty house that I was moving out of.

Bradley Hanson

In foreground: guitarist John Ramberg and singer Scott McCaughey.

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SW: Here in Seattle?

Rieflin: Yeah. There were two weeks of terrible weather, there was a week of flooding—it was horrible. And then I went to work on the first Angels of Light record in Atlanta, and I was incredibly ill. Every time I work with Michael, the situation's uncomfortable. And that creates great music.

McCaughey: Or great pain?

Rieflin: It creates great discomfort.

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